As promised, Obama intends to disarm America… Orders 10% cut in defense budget…

The damage this man will inflict in this nation will not be seen untill 4 to 10 years in the future. If this man is not stopped disaster will strike the USA by 2014. Thanks God, it looks like his honeymoon will end sooner than expected and there are some good new faces and fresh ideas out there ready to take him down.

Hey, assuming the NH senator takes the job in Obama’s cabinet and the senate gets to 60 for the Dems. He can literally do whatever he wants to. Do you know if the Norm Coleman factor is figured into that, assuming he wins in court? ( yes, I am grabbing at straws here)

If Judd Gregg takes the job and is replaced with a Democrat, and if Al Franken prevails in Minnesota, the Democrats will have 60 Senators

Shery, I am beyond disgusted with what is going on in Minnesota. How could Al Franken be leading in Votes if there were have the registered voters listed in some communities – yet he showed double the amount of votes.

This is beyond a scandal – If that loud mouth poor execuse of a comedian wins the MN Senate seat then Democracy is officially dead.

I’d like to see what excuses our kool-aid drinkers will come up with on this one.

The Democratic Party has been hijacked by Socialists – yet no one can see this.

Sparky,

Don’t overlook ACORN’s involvement in the Secretary of State Project – a PAC whose mission is to get their moveon.org-Soros-Acorn radical supported candidate into the SoS position – Ritchie, MN SoS is their boy.

Frightening, isn’t it? And now 4 billion dollars in the giant pork bill directed to groups like theirs.

Change you can believe in.

Let’s take our party back!!

So true mbander! By the way where is Barry’s most ardent admirer Rozethelamest! I’m sure she is getting ready to make some moronic excuse for all of these debacles surrouding his most royal highest.

Barry boy is like a walking cyclone of corruption.

More Kool-aid please!

I can’t believe that a-hole is not gonna protect Americans! What with the fact we have been in conflict somewhere or other since the Korean war, we muscle into foreign markets, abuse free-trade-zones for cheap labor and goods, consume 3 times our share of resources, produce 10 times our share of pollution and use security agencies and slush-funds to topple governments that are too progressive or socialist we really need that defense budget to protect our children! They do not need an EXTRA $66 billion for education; we give them an adequate education already!

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Oh, I’m here Sparky. So glad you are still obsessing over me. And as I can see you are still as pathetic and lame as you were before you went on hiatus after I shut your ass down the first time.

Anyhow, yes, I will continue to visit the site as I actually enjoy Mr. Pundit’s perspective. I disagree with him on most things, but unlike all of the bitter 12 year-olds that comment a thousand times a day on this site(like yourself) he actually represents an intelligent opposition view, unlike your “Barry boy” “more kool-aid please” antics.

Clearly you are a miserable person who thrives on everything negative in life and I still feel really bad for you. But if it pleasures you or makes you feel better about yourself to keep me on your mind and continuously pay me attention, go ahead. It doesn’t bother me one bit, really.

~Rozathegreat a.k.a http://www.sparkylovesme.com

Oh, I’m here Sparky. So glad you are still obsessing over me. And as I can see you are still as pathetic and lame as you were before you went on hiatus after I shut your ass down the first time.

Anyhow, yes, I will continue to visit the site as I actually enjoy Mr. Pundit’s perspective. I disagree with him on most things, but unlike all of the bitter 12 year-olds that comment a thousand times a day on this site(like yourself) he actually represents an intelligent opposition view, unlike your “Barry boy” “more kool-aid please” antics.

Clearly you are a miserable person who thrives on everything negative in life and I still feel really bad for you. But if it pleasures you or makes you feel better about yourself to keep me on your mind and continuously pay me attention, go ahead. It doesn’t bother me one bit, really.

~Rozathegreat

Carmelo wrote:

The damage this man will inflict in this nation will not be seen untill 4 to 10 years in the future.
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On just what “EXACTLY” do you base this? The efficacy of the last prez?

Carmelo worte:

If this man is not stopped disaster will strike the USA by 2014.
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On just what “EXACTLY” do you base this? AND

WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN BY “IF THIS MAN IS NOT STOPPED”

Would you be so kind as to tell us what you really mean???

Happydaysarehereagain

Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega or Fidel Castro rin any bells for you? These dictators had the same charisma of Obama and preached the same anti Free market diatribe. Well, maybe you don’t know anthing about this since all you want is links, proofs, and more kool aid.

Happy,

The earliest damage he will do is the passage of this giant earmark and spending bill. It tacks over $10,000 of additional tax debt on EVERY household in the US. Do you really think that this money put directly in your own hands would not be a better stimulus to the economy then passing it through the hands of campaign supporters/special interest groups. A tax cut for HOLLYWOOD PRODUCERS??? That doesn’t offend you???

The only stimulus in this package is in the name. We railed against the deficit being run up in the last administration – and you have to be incredibly naive to believe the only problem was who signed the check. Government spending does not help the economy – never has, never will. You need only to look at history to see that.

Then there’s the move toward socialism that this bill makes. Another serious disaster that will be hard to undo.

Hey Roza,

Honest question for you, no sarcasm, honest discussion. I just want to know how you feel about Obama’s first two weeks. One of the things he campaigned HEAVILY on was how he was going to bring change to Washington with a new standard of ethics: no lobbyists, no earmarks, people of integrity, bi-partisanship, etc. In less than 2 weeks he has gone back on all of that – do you feel a bit cheated?

I just heard the Obama anti Capitalism and free market manifesto, attacking big corporations and frezzing these companies’ CEO salaries. This he did with his crook Secretary of Treasury by his side! Shame. The same anti Capitalism of Hugo Chavez, Che Guevara and Joseph Stalin.
For those who had any doubts about Obama being a Marxist, this press conference should had erased any doubts. The war against Free Market, business owners and big corporations has started!

Carmelo wrote:

Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega or Fidel Castro rin any bells for you? These dictators had the same charisma of Obama and preached the same anti Free market diatribe. Well, maybe you don’t know anthing about this since all you want is links, proofs, and more kool aid.
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The differences which you fail to realize are:

(A) We live in a democracy.
(B) Obama IS NOT a dictator
(C) Saying that markets and others need to be regulated
can protect consumers and taxpayers.
(D) requesting someone provide evidence of their bs stops
b.s. from being spread. Don’t be afraid of the
challenge.

mbander wrote:

The earliest damage he will do is the passage of this giant earmark and spending bill.

I am thankful for the lesson. I was unaware that presidents can unilaterally pass bills. I am awaiting viable proposals from the Rep party. They are all over the map with this. They don’t have a coherent plan and THAT is more dangerous than anything. I just personally feel that just saying no, rather than offerring something else is silly. Bring something to the table, not just No, No, No! I think the economy would be hurt more by sitting and doing nothing.

Yes, I would rather have money in my pocket. what are some of the ideas you like?

Roza – I’m not obsessing over you – but I am laughing!

Mbander – she won’t answer that because she can’t honestly provide a direct response – she would be damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. The man has made a mockery of our system (or what’s left of it).

Congrats on your pick – happydays – I’m sure they will be with you longer then you ever wished.

By the way Rozethemostlame – you are the pathetic one because you are actually monitoring this website and could not resist the retaliatory remark.

How smart you must look gazing at the mirror on your judgement of selection.

Misery must surly love company and you deary should be listed as Exhibit A.

Happy,

I personally really do believe that doing nothing would be better than this bill. The Congressional Budget Office has come out with a report that says only about 12% of this bill would actually provide a stimulus to the economy.

There are a number of other very viable plans on the table from Repubs AND a number of Democrats who see the failure of this bill. They were shut out by the House Dems, but are at least allowed into the debate in the Senate. If the House had their way, most of this bill would not have been so publicized. Why else the giant rush??

You need to get past the name and the hype and look at what is in it. CALLING it a stimulus bill doesn’t make it one – just proves how dumb they think we are. This bill is an insult to us all and a slap in the face of hard-working, tax paying Americans.

Good question Mbander. Honest answer:

There are things that I have been pleased with and things that I have not been pleased with.

The things that have pleased me have been his executive orders like the investigation of Gitmo (1st day), the executive order that bans pay discrimination against women and imposes harsh fines on employers that do (3rd day), the extension of the childrens healthcare program that will cover 4 million more uninsured children, and his swift action on repairing the economy (the past 15 days) and whether you view it as positive or negative you have to admit that this issue has been at the forefront of his process to fix this country.

The things that have displeased me:

I thought the Geither confirmation may have not been the best decision. Do I think he brings alot of reform and experience to the table, yes. Do I think the “tax mishap” will hinder his progress with people who lack the ability to move forward from that, absolutely. So, I think maybe he should have gone with someone a little less baggage in the department that he will now be in charge of. Simply for public perception.

Something else that I have to put in the displeasure column is this whithdrawl of Tom Daschle and Nancy Killefer. I do think (as he has admitted) that there was an error made in trying to hide this information. But I think losing them both is going to be a big blow the progress of this administration. I think they both were the best people for their respective jobs, and I think it was a problem that could have been easily corrected. Pay the damn taxes, it was that simple. I do understand that they had to withdraw because of “public perception” but I think Tom Daschle was the best person to reform our healthcare system. The only person that I think is better in this area was Hillary Clinton, and of course she’s not in the running.

Do I feel cheated, not at all. Why would I? I’ve never been a person to put all of my faith in my government because I know that “the institution of goverment” is faulty, no matter who is in office. That is the reality, so the sooner you all realize that the less suicidal or overly emotional you will be when things don’t go your way. So no, I do not feel cheated. Do I still feel he was the best for the job yes. My opinion.

The stimulus bill, perfect, no. A start, yes. Doing nothing, mistake.

~Roza

Sparky, you’re exactly right misery loves company, so why give you the company? Everyone else on this blog ignores you when you try to negatively come at me, so I guess I should too.

Get a life dear, and comment on something more important.

~Roza

Not true Ms. Sparky. I’m glad to see you have the heart to keep this up! You are a sturdy soul. What do you think of Gillibrand?

Thank BB – nice to hear from you again.

Roza – sorry, you are wrong again. Quit drinking so much kool-aid you are starting to believe you have friends on this board. New name: Rozalesmisérables.

BB – back to your question. In regards to Gillibrand -the jury is still out on her. I don’t want to start throwing her to the wolves until she proves otherwise.

BB – just as we predicted the messiah is spreading the wealth, hiring thugs and cheats, breaking promises, etc.

Hope everyone is happy once there taxes start rising. Yep – change.

Old Happy days will be singing a different tune soon.

And of course the University of Chicago Hospital suddenly eliminated Ms. OBummer’s position. I predict that as with during the campaign and primaries those who drank the Kool-Aid will never be able to admit how gullible they were. Those who needed to believe he was the Messiah still have the need to believe it. Isn’t the belief that you are the exception to the rules that you would put in place for everyone else the epitome of narcissism?

Mbander, a follow up to your question to me.

I was talking to a “politician” at a fundraiser tonight about something that had nothing to do with what is going on right now, but somehow we ended up on the economy anyway (of course). I knew he was a republican and I know some of his positions but I was really surprised to hear him make this statement.

“I’m not a fan of either stimulus being offered by either party. They’re both filled with things we don’t need, too much of some of the things we need, and not enough of the things that are going to actually jumpstart the economy.”

He went on to say that anything that is not going to directly help taxpaying citizens in the struggle, should be taken out and that if we do that it brings Obama’s plan down to about 550 bil and Republicans plan down to about 150 bil. But then he said even with those numbers neither plan would be enough.

So my follow up question to you is “what would be in your stimulus plan?”

~Roza

P.S. This guy also supports the salary cap (which I think is really rare) for execs of companies receiving bail-out funds. What do you think of that order?

I was in the barn last night talking to a horse’s ass and she told me that if you just sprinkle a little hay over the manure to cover the stink you won’t have to muck the stalls.

I of course avoided those stalls and the barn but others stepped right into it and ruined their good shoes.

LMAO, good one! That was too funny. You do remind me of the type that spends your spare time in a barn talking to a horse’s ass.

~Roza

Yeah, they look, smell and excrete the same manure as Obot’s trolls but at least you can get somewhere with a horse.

Excellent anaylysis BB!

Arghhh….. analysis….

Those damn “Obot trolls”. What are we gonna do wit em’? lol

~Roza

Roza,

I think everyone who has a reviewed some of the waste in this bill would have to agree that there is a ridiculous amount of reckless spending. As I said, calling it a stimulus package is highly insulting to me, since as I pointed out, according to Congress’s own bean counters, less than 20% actually does something that could actually stimulate the economy… and a lot of that won’t even happen for a couple of years. So if you are in favor of a “stimulus” package that is based on spending (I am not – government spending has never improved our economy – historical fact, not just my opinion)than this package should offend you too.

Renovating government buildings (hundreds of millions of dollars in this “stimulus bill” creates work – not jobs. When the renovation is done the job is over. I am not even going to discuss how well the government handles this – think of the Vistor’s Center they just built in Washington – 3 years late and almost 10 times the original budget. You notice how no one is defending this pork in this bill? Everyone is pretty silent on the individual projects in this bill. They just keep using the word stimulus, hoping we won’t notice I guess.

So what kind of stimulus am I in favor of? Give the American people back some of their money. Let us spend it and “stimulate” the economy. This money they propose to spend is either going to be borrowed or printed – either one will cost us, the average American TAXPAYER (which apparently doesn’t include Obama’s cabinet) DEARLY. I have a lot more faith in US then I do in the weasels in Washington. Didn’t Obama say he was going to cut the taxes of 95% of all Americans and small business? I guess they just forgot that in this bill.

I would cut corporate taxes from 35% (the second highest in the world) to 25% to encourage job growth here and discourage the exodus to other countries. What I wouldn’t do is pass a bunch of money through the “Good Ol’ Boys Club”

And while we’re at it, one more broken campaign promise. He campaigned saying he would not sign any bill less than 5 days after passage so the American people could be sure they have seen it. Schip and the Lily Ledbetter Act will both be signed in under that.

And now we have lost the era of “hope over fear”. Today he said if this bill wasn’t passed RIGHT now the economy may NEVER recover. Seriously, read the bill and see what we can live without in there. Talk about fear mongering. Despicable. Which of us really believes that if the National Endowment for the Arts doesn’t get $50 million the economy will collapse with job losses? I detest being taken for a fool, and that is what they think of us.

He should stand up and demand that this bill be the infrastructure stimulus he originally told us it would be. His demand that it be passed shows he condones this outrageous spending and expansion of government. So, forget the tax cuts, ethics, transparency, end to wasteful spending, no lobbyists, “hope over fear” that he promised. What is left of his promises for me to look forward to? Jeez, he’s only been there 2 weeks.

What he actually said was, “The time for talk is over. The time for action is now, because we know that if we do not act, a bad situation will become dramatically worse. Crisis could turn into catastrophe for families and businesses across the country.”

And party aside, realistically I don’t think that is an inaccurate statement. We’re in deep shit and something has to be done about it. To propose that nothing is better than something is beyond stupidity.

Does the stimulus contain waste in my opinion, yes. Did the republican stimulus contain waste, yes. All stimulus plans do, but they also include things that will help.

Everybody wants to be right, and clearly no one is 100% right or we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with. If no one wants to work together simply for the sake of losing face, then we are in big trouble as a country.

~Roza

Roza,

And he went on to say: “Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse” The time for talk is over?? You really have that much faith in these guys that you believe they could write a TRILLION dollar bill, with no input from the opposition, and get it right the first time? Remember these are the same people who couldn’t run their cafeteria to break even. These people have actually CAUSED a lot of our grief.

Don’t you think we could be better than 12% right? There is a bipartisan group working together right now for a better bill. We need to study this carefully and get it right. Let’s give them some time to hammer it out. That group DOES want to work together. It is Obama who is demanding that the discussion be shut down.

You must tell me what there is that you find appealing about this bill. I haven’t seen a thing in it that I like – not at a time when spending is such an issue. I find most of this bill very unsettling and Obama’s insistence on rushing it through VERY disturbing.

You are exactly right. He did also say that, so I ask you again, was THAT an inaccurate statement. I think not. Also, there has been input by the opposition which is why it has been re-written several times. The fact is, if it is not the entire Republican stimulus plan it will be nothing. That’s how these people work. Don’t believe me, just wait until the “bi-partisan” group working until late tonight gets done with their revisions. I can almost guarantee you that it STILL will no be approved and it won’t be because “Obama is demanding that the discussion be shut down”. There are seeking to trim today’s bill down $100 billion dollars which will bring it down from $920 billion to $820 billion. THAT dear it was should offend you. You talk so much in Obama supporters being hoodwinked into voting for him, but you are being hoodwinked into believing this “bi-partisan group” is actually making strides that matter.

Also, I find it quite hilarious that the very people that were in a rush to pass the $700 billion bail-out for the banks (which by the way have done squat for the economy)with no strings attached and no restrictions now think we need to take our time in passing through a stimulus bill to help the people it has hurt the most. Very peculiar.

As far as interest in the stimulus bill, have you actually seen offical sources that represent the bill, or are you just reading on blogspace? Or maybe we just have different ideas on what this stimulus bill should cover? I dunno.

What things interest me in the stimulus package?

-I am for the $20 billion proposed for DHHS for programs like foodstamps, SCHIP, and medicaid if the restrictions are laxed to allow the working struggling citizens to qualify. Which I think Georgia is one state that is revamping these eligibility requirements.
-29.1 billion proposed to upgrade 10,000 schools across the country and raising teacher pay across the board
-The $15,000 tax credit to new and struggling homebuyers/owners (that will help MILLIONS of people this year alone)
-4.5 Billion to DOD to renovate bases and other facilities (which as a military wife of 11 years, I know are in dyer need of repair.
-4.6 billion to for employment and training for the 4 million jobs that will be created by infrastructure projects proposed by the stimulus
-17.6 billion for Pell Grants and need-based funding for children wanting to attend college but can’t afford
-Additional $6 billion proposed to veteran benefits including housing post-military service and extended medical care (this hit me especially b.c I volunteer with separating service members and I think its absolutely embarassing that some of them come home after serving overseas and have NOTHING; they account for about 13% of those in poverty and that is so ridiculous)
-The almost $68 billion in tax assistance to businesses over the next 4 years to help with tax matching. I think this would give businesses more confidence in hiring new workers and not having to worry about being slammed in the tax liability area.

So those are just a few of the things that I find appealing in the bill.

~Roza

P.S. You find everything about Obama “disturbing and unsettling”.

Keep it real.

~Roza

mbander – no matter what you say – it won’t matter to her – she doesn’t care what he spends as long as she is waiting in line for the messiah’s hand-outs.

Puma Pundit – he is canceling terrorist tribunals – releasing terrorists – cutting our defense budget – spending all of our money – what exactly will it take for people to wake up and see what this Muslim in sheep clothes is actually doing to our country.

Obama is back with his rhetoric and smooth sense of humor that hynotized millions during his campaign.
He says the stimulus is “spending bill” and what else it supposed to be….but see who is going to spend and dictate??? You guessed…the government! Or how the socialist comrads call: THE STATE.

Rozathegreat

The Benefactor State has never worked in modern history. This “stimulus” is only going to create social dependency. The USA might not longer be the super power that is still is if Obama gets his way. This social dependency is good to attract votes. Obama is just a public relations and propaganda machine. This is not going to work.

Roza,

I was against the bailout right from the start. I hated the panic mode “we have to act now or else” – hated it then, hate it now. I will be against the next financial bailout when Obama proposes it, as he has said he will.

I was getting my facts off the Congressional Budget website. They are the ones who analyzed the bill and said that less than 12% of it represented meaningful job creation and what could be considered a “stimulus” to the econmomy. This is OUR money- not theirs. They need to borrow it or print it. Borrowing it (assuming they can find a lender) will result in higher interest rates for US. Anyone who was around during the Carter years and saw home mortgage rates at 16-18% remembers that pain. Printing it would cause inflation – again the pain would be born by US.

My whole point is this. What is wrong with taking some time and getting it right. Even a number of things you listed above, would do absolutely NOTHING to do with creating a job or stimulating the economy. They have no place in a bill called a stimulus package. I am afraid we won’t be able to recover from THIS BILL. I am not debating the merits of some of these programs, if they’re not about economic recovery, get them out of this bill and debate them on their own.

If you stacked up thousand dollar bills, one million dollars would be 4 inches tall. One trillion dollars would be a stack 63 MILES high. Could we not ask them to take out a couple of miles of crap?

I totally have more faith in the American people than I do in Washington. Put the money in OUR hands and see what we can do.

Mbander, there is sbsolutely nothing wrong with taking time, but I do disagree that none of those things will stimulate the economy. For example, the housing incentives that will lower the interest rate 4.5% on 3o-year fixed rate loans and provide a $15,000 tax credit to those same homebuyers. The employers assistance being offered to decrease the tax liability and pay raises to our teachers will not stimulate the economy? Starting the new construction projects that will bring 40,000 jobs to Georgia, 141,000 to Ohio, and 71,000 to Pennsylvania (just to name a few) and training the unemployed to do these jobs will not stimulate the economy?

We obviously just have a difference in opinion on the people that really need the help. That’s fair, i’m not mad about it. But I just have to work with the people that this crisis has hit the hardest everyday, and to insinuate that we have time, or doing nothing is better than this is somewhat offensive. Not that it really matters because us going back and forth on what we think the money should be used for is exactly what is going on in Washington and we see what the result of that is……..absolutely nothing.

~Roza

P.S. There are American people that I have faith in also. The type that reachout and help one another who have been blindsided by this crisis. The type that I do not trust are the one’s who believe its ok to offer our money to repair and rebuild other countries, but not ok to take care of its own. Bullshit at its best.

P.S again, I do agree with you that we could ask them to “take out a couple of miles of crap”.

Roza,
If the employer’s assistance you are referring to is the $3000 tax credit for new hires, that has already been removed as ineffective. I don’t think it even made the House bill. No, I don’t believe giving teachers a raise puts one more person on the payroll. I don’t see how that will stimulate the economy one bit – it is only in there for a special interest (NEA) payback for campaign contributions. Doesn’t matter if you think they deserve a raise or not – not a stimulus by any stretch. Take it out. This is not the time or place for this.

And what P-BO said was “save or create” that number of jobs in Ohio, etc. Much different then “bringing new jobs”. Bailing out badly run state governments at the federal level is as distasteful to me as bailing out badly run businesses and bailing them out certainly does nothing to make them clean up their act. I would like the same scrutiny given to elected officials who “bankrupt” their constituents with reckless spending – I would start with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

But, back to the facts, Obama asked for an infrastructure bill to rebuild roads and bridges. By letting the crazy Pelosi write it, it ended up with only 30 billion (3%) for that purpose. Then they started loading it up with the rest of this non-stimulus crap. Shows you how seriously THEY took the idea. Ushering in socialized medicine does nothing for jobs – although none of us would disagree that if the government is running something, it will employ twice as many people as is really needed. Take it out of the bill – NOT stimulus. I could go on forever with all the stuff in this bill that will have nothing to do with the economy besides contributing to higher interest rates and inflation.

Obama promised an end to wasteful government spending. I would not have thought this bill is what he envisioned but he is defending it. Trim it down to only TRUE stimulus items, spent on essential projects. According to the Congressional Budget Office, that would only be a stack of thousand dollar bills 7.5 miles high. Seems like enough. But hey, in the spirit of generosity, let them go 10 miles high. The rest can be debated and passed in it’s own bill and not be part of the fear mongering “rush to stimulate” rhetoric. Seriously, I don’t believe a single job will be lost if the National Endowment for the Arts doesn’t get their $50 million.

They rushed through the bailout money – we are now finding out what a disaster that was. At least they could stop insulting my intelligence by calling it a STIMULUS bill.

Ok, I get it. You don’t like Obama, you don’t like the stimulus, you don’t like government, you don’t like spending, and you don’t like helping the less fortunate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I respect yours even if I don’t agree with it. We don’t have the same interest or view of how tax money should be spent, so no sense in me wasting my time trying to express my view.

I enjoyed the conversation though. Have a good weekend.

~Roza

P.S. The $3000 tax credit is not what I was talking about. The bill quotes exactly what I said above; “relieves business owner of 33% of tax liability.”

Rozathesocialist!

Lol, is your father? Because you sure ranted before the election about how many handouts he gave to the poor people he employed when you were growing up. Yet all of a sudden you’re against others helping others?

I don’t think you really know what you stand for. You’re like the kid in school who always wanted to make a scene or be loud so the cool kids would notice her. It really is sad that you have nothing positive to contribute.

Anyhow, I hope you have a good weekend also. Try and find some peace and maybe you’ll stop focussing so much time on trying to attack me.

~Roza

Mbander, looks like after the late night session we’re now down from $927 billion to $780 billion. The guy I was talking about earlier in the week predicted $650 billion.

Wonder what they cut out???

~Roza

Correction: That should’ve read $937 billion.

Apparently Rozathesocialist – you did not read my previous posts throughly. My father helped others that attempted to work or went through a a short spell of hard times. You apparantly feel that I should work my tail off to support people like you and other bleeding hearts.

How about people try – or attempt – to help themselves.

Exhibit A is a woman who now has 14 kids and is on welfare, you just don’t get it.

Just where in the world do you think all this money is coming from?

Socialism doesn’t work and never has.

Cool kids – what would you know – you were never even recognized by the wall flowers.

Newsflash, the people most hurt by this economic crisis are people that WERE helping themselves but are now suffering due to the actions of others like, I dunno, executives who get bailout money and complete $1.2 million renovations on their office all while laying off 30% of their staff. You are ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS to what is really going on. And dear you do nothing to support me. What would make you think that is beyond me seeing as though you don’t know jack shit about me. I make my own money, pay 32% of my income in taxes, and still contribute extra to organizations that are doing what the government should be doing to help tax-paying citizens that really need it. To me this not just the American but moral thing to do. Your dad understood that. Too bad you are just either too selfish or stupid to realize that. If you chose not to help that is fine, but shut the hell up talking about something that you obviously have no clue about. I have friends that have lost everything. Some were able to bounce back and retain other employment, some are still reeling.

The government has created this mess for millions of people that didn’t ask for it, so yes absolutely they should do something to help get people on track. I want you to come to some of the places where I volunteer and tell those people who have seen their retirement funds squandered and have lost everything they’ve worked so hard for disappear, that they should do more to try and help themselves. You wouldn’t last a second face to face talking with real people going through a real struggle. It’s really easy to cowardly talk crap hiding behind a blog its another thing to do something to help the people that you are talking about. You are absolutely clueless. Just know that some of the things we as adults say come back to bite us in the ass. I would hate for your ignorant words to be your karma.

~Roza

Roza,

That was a bit unfair of you, so let me set the record straight. I don’t like Obama, the so-called stimulus, spending, BIGGER government. You sort of got those right. Add to the list, I don’t like crooks, thieves, cheats especially in high positions of industry and government, but at all levels in my life. I don’t people who pander to me or take me for a fool.

I don’t believe in helping people who have made a career out of being on the take, but I do believe in helping those who, through no fault of their own, are down on their luck. I believe it is more compassionate help them find meaningful employment, than a temporary handout. I support local charitable organizations in my area that help BOTH of these groups – have given more than Biden to charity but then who hasn’t?

As to the 33% tax credit for business new hires, let’ look at the numbers. The average salary in the US is $40K per year. Add benefits and taxes and it cost close to $60K per year. If the government offered you a one time credit $5-7thousand, would you hire them just because of the credit? No, you would be back to the same position you were in without the credit – you would hire them only if you needed them. But then that is the kind of legislation you get from people who have never run a business – who want to rush something through without enough thought, when they could actually take their time and check with the experts.

P.S. Cuts in the stimulus included $40 billion in aid to states, $16 billion for school construction, and $5.8 billion for public health efforts. While they have said it is down to $780 billion, not included in that number is the cost of other changes that had been made to the bill earlier this week (tax cuts aimed at boosting the housing and auto industries.) It is estimated now that it is at $827 billion. So they have now trimmed this giant spending bill to $8 billion more than the House bill.

Get the worthless crap out, and for once make it about the AMERICAN PEOPLE, not themselves, their party, and their friends.

Mbander I was being facetious. Didn’t mean those things literally against you. That just seems to be the running theme on this board, so I was making a play on that. No harm meant, I know where you stand.

~Roza

P.S. The $68 billion is the total of business tax credit over the next 5 years, it’s hardly a one time tax credit. And as a current business OWNER yes, it does help. The credit is aimed at small business, and in a small business the average income is hardly $40,000 a year, its more like $25 or 30,000. This credit is offered to businesses for years to come (5 year min.) as long as they cooperate with the restrictions such as not sending jobs overseas, etc. And might I point out that it was the ONE thing that neither party contested. I think if you read that part of the act in its entirety it is very beneficial to current business owners or those thinking of starting one.

The greatest US presidents has been the ones who were business owners, capitalists, governors, individuals who managed big budgets, ran big organizations i.g Military Generals. Community Organizers don’t run anything besides their mouth for special intersts.

A sad reminder: Ernesto Guevara, Fidel Castro and Vladimir Lenin were all sort of “community organizers”.

Yet community organizers were also Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Ghandi and Billy Graham…BUT none of these last folks ran a GOVERMNENT or a COUNTRY!