Barack Obama Meets Marines… Enthusiasm on their part… Negligible…

-Hey Joe, who is that skinny dude?

-He is the new Boss man, the new CIC!

-Damm, why is no one standing up to salute him?

-Well, maybe because he is wearing the same shirt the 9-11 highjacker wore.

- I’m gonna take a picture of his pants!

-Go ahead man, I’ll keep eating this food!

Aren’t we reading a little too much into this?

Great post Carmelo….. Why stand when he said we were aerating villages and killing civilians? He will definitely have to earn their respect that is for certain…

PP,

Your usual bias betrayed you in the first sentence.
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Usually our men and women in Uniform give the Commander-in-Chief a rousing ovation whenever it is that he chooses to show up… Barack Obama, not so much…
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First of all, Obama is NOT YET CIC.

Second of all, You can best believe that if the military protocol was required, the soldiers are trained to follow it and would have done so. Their superior training doesn’t allow them to follow childish or petty tantrums.

Thirdly, this wasn’t the staged “Mission Accomplished” photo-op W. set-up!

Next, remember this past summer, Obama, and the troops? Huh, remember?

In addition, both Ron Paul and Obama received more in donations from the military than did McCain. Why do you think that was?

Finally, If everyone had stood, saluted, and stuck their chests out, I’m sure you would have said “The Messiah entered the room as though he were already the CIC”. In your world, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. I guess ya just can’t win with some.

Please check out this link.
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2008/11/04/the-shifting-military-vote/

Sheryl,

Did W. earn (or lose) their respect? Do you believe the military, unlike any other segment of our population votes as a monolithic block? Do you believe there exists a group-think mentality in the military? Remember both Obama and Ron Paul got more $$$$ from military personnel than did McCain. Why?

Hint: It had something to do with their stances towards Iraq.

Happy-boy says> “In addition, both Ron Paul and Obama received more in donations from the military than did McCain. Why do you think that was?”

Now here folks is an excellent example of how an Obama kool-aid drinker actually thinks… he takes a selective scrap of data and tries to make it the centerpiece of his argument. In this example our Happy-boy leftist would have you believe the campaign donations are what is relevant while conveniently forgetting that:

68% of the military voted for McCain.. a landslide by anyone’s definition… except leftist kool-aid drinkers.

He would have garnered even more except for the race factor…. as blacks were the only military demographic sub-group to vote for Obama overwhelmingly… event with the MCCain pulled off a landslide in the military….

Hey Happy-boy… why do you think that was?

Can’t wait to watch to you weasel word this one…..

Go Sarah 2012!!!

Was – could you point us to the primary source that provided the information “68% of the military voted for McCain”?

Generally speaking, the military votes overwhelmingly GOP. Bush won military voters in 2000 and 2004, and I think (not sure) Bob Dole even won with them in 96

Amsterdam,
sorry for the intrusion, but I found the info pretty easily, go to site below….

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_poll_100508w/

Military times os the source.

The miltary consistently votes republican. Its a fact. While obama received more direct contributions, the RNC and McCain contributions combined trump obama.

With that being said, there is definitely a segment of deployed military personnel that favor obama simply because of his “get out of iraq” stance. Unfortunately there is little evidence on the breakdown of voting. I’d like to see the beakdown of military branch and rank.

Recommended reading. Michael Yon’s web site or book. Imbedded journalist with a military background. Says we’ve already won iraq, the troop morale is high, and the next major front is afganistan.

Afterdamm:

I’m a proofs and links hunter.

I can’t believe my messiah had any knowledge that his pastor for 20 years was a racist and anti American.

I can’t believe that! I want links! PROOFS!!!

I can’t believe my leader is a staunch pro abortion. He loves babies.

I can’t believe My messiah is not bona fide Christian. He was part of Jeremiah Wright church for over 20 years! I WANT PROOFS!!

I want proofs that my leader had business with a convicted felon.

I want proofs that my anointed One was friend with an unrepentant terrorist.

I WANT LINKS!!! PROOFS!!!

I can’t believe my new CIC did not get 70% of the military personnel support!! I WANT LINKS AND PROOFS!!!

The facts about my Messiah are hitting my forehead but I still need proofs and LINKS!!!

Note that a “President-Elect” is De Facto the new CIC. The current president is not a “sitting president” but a “transitional president”. In other words, Bush is LEAVING! He still asumes control of the government but he is in fact a “lame duck”.

The military DOES NOT has to follow OFFICIAL protocol with the “president-elect” but not standing up to at least show him support and aknowledment that he is the new CIC is like a slap in the face of OBAMA!! See how many of these people just keep eating and many of them looking away from our new wanna be CIC!

OC,

I will check that out. Now that the war is won how soon can we leave Iraq?
Also not saying,I don’t believe, but can you tell me Exactly where in M.T. you got that %. I think its inflated. I know that the military typically votes Republican. I won’t deny this. However, especailly for the military, this was no typical election.

Can you please clarify your comment regarding amounts contributed. RON PAUL and OBAMA received more $$$$ from military members than did McCain. These are facts. Which of the following are you saying:

(a) McCain raised more funds than Obama
(b) McCain and the RNC raised more cash than Obama
(c) McCain and the RNC raised more cash than Obama and the DNC
(d) McCain and the RNC and the Military donations raised more cash than Obama

I just need to understand your statement.

Thanks also for the civil discussion.

P.S. when and where did I make any allusion to your sex?

OC,

The reason I ask for the % is because I have not been able to find any post-election poll. The only one I saw on MT was PRE-election (early October). it was at about 68%, but again this was in October.

To All:

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_poll_100508w/
Military Times Poll: Troops Supporting McCain

Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers, indicates, though career-oriented black service members strongly favored the Democratic Party candidate.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

Here you go.

Amsterdam,

I am enjoying the discussions I am able to have with OC. You don’t see the name calling, racist ranting you see with some of the other bloggers here. I must say I was disappointed in the “logic” WAS used to:

(A) Connect O.J., ACORN, 2 Black Panthers in Philly to Obama.

(B)Show that Sarah and HRC are similiar.

(C) Use incomplete data to suggest McCain won a landslide anywhere in this election. You see that is her M.O. Throw bombs, wait for back up by similar minded people and disappear if she gets now back-up.

The biggest difference between HRC and Myself is that I will offer data, evidence, and give credit to the truth. HRC on the other hand is blinded by hatred, deluded by false hope and guided by illogical reasoning. The next difference is that I don’t have to resort to extremist terms to make my point.

Keep hoping, wishing and praying WAS, but you will NEVER BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

Should have read “gets NO backup”

With Obama it is going to be the second time in nearly 2 generations that the CIC (Commander-in-Chief)never dressed in military uniform, never served even in the Nation’s Reserves, ….hell!, not even in the Civil Defense corps!

GWB is a real and trained former Combat Aviator(Reserves).
GHWB was a combat pilot for the Navy.
JECarter was a Navy Officer and so was Nixon.
Reagan served in the Army in non combatant positions.
LBJ was commissioned in the Army, and
JFK was a Navy Liutenant.

Obama follows Clinton as the only second CIC in the past 60 years with no military experience! But Obama is the first CIC with absolutely ZERO military or command experience!

Happy.

Open secrets is where I found the info. I don’t have the data in front of me, I read it this morning. But what I saw was a more complete breakdown of overall donations, not just candidates. I believe when you add up mccain and rnc compared to obama and dnc, the difference is dramatic. While obama did have the overall highest contributions, when you look at the complete picture, it doesn’t quite equate to the “obama received 6:1 in contributions argument.
I agree that mccain ran a piss poor campaign and obama ran a stellar campaign-particularly his web campaign and the contribution funding through the web (unfortunately I believe technology is moving too fast to institute the right safeguards against illegal contribution – I’m not saying military contributions are illegal. There were several articles online that noted improper record keeping for online contributions-maybe another future topic).

As I mentioned on another thread, I don’t vote based on a campaign, I vote based on a record. Well that, and my main priciple: which candidate wants to spend less of my money. As a libertarian, I don’t believe the government should be managing our lives. They have done very little very well over the past 50 years and I simply have a healthy distrust.

So now I basically have two problems with obama: first he pandered to the largest base of the country – free healthcare,infrastructure investment, tax cuts for middle class, get out of Iraq (actually he said combat troup out of Iraq) which is a popular position but what I think would be devastating to our interests in the middle east. All this while economists wonder how that’s ever going to work(basically put us more in debt). Second, now that he’s elected he’s moving more center with his positions, basically planning his next election cycle. smart move considering what happened to clinton when he tried to interject extreme progressive policies in his first term. You’d think I’d be happy about that, but I’m not his base! He’s basically screwed his leftist base. Politician at his finest ( if you’d hadn’t figured it out, that’s a bad word in my book).

I’m rambling a bit-sorry.

Anyway, I’m disappointed that people actually voted for hope and change, which to me shows the height of immaturity in a dangerous and uncertain world. I don’t know if mccain would have been better, but at least there was insight into what he really stood for instead of what appears to be empty rhetoric. My fundamental beliefs ensure I will not be an obama supporter, but I hope the ego gets out of the way long enough to do what’s right.

You refered to me as a man in a previous post on another thread

OC,

I agree 100%. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Obama nearly RAN to the center during the general election. The truth of the matter is either (a) he was already there (This position may not hold up based on his voting record) Or (B) he realizes what every politican and most of the informed electorate already knows; in this and every election, given the possibility of the checks and balances between the three branches, (unless you have a 9-11, a scared and angry public, and a president who is ready to ride rough-shod over the constitution) it will be very difficult to run as an extreme leftist or extreme rightist. It is just to difficult to ganer enough support nationally. This bell-curved phenom leaves the extremes out on the fringes of the majority of society. The funny thing is, when you see these extremists they are so far outside of everyone else that they start to sound alike on a alot of positions.

They both start to say the same thing; It’s either our way or no way! Check this out sometimes. You will get a kick out of it. You may even find out that they belong to some of the same groups and oraginzations!!!

sorry “too difficult to garner”

OC,

I checked out the Open Secrets site. there was a lot of info. I could find a heads up comparison. I remebered that McCain opted for the Pre-determined amount. Where as Obama was unlimited in the general. Anywhoo it is an interesting site.