Hillary Clinton IS going to be the next Secretary of State…
November 17, 2008 by PUMA Pundit
I guess Hillary Clinton is putting “Country First”, Barack Obama first, as it seems she would be accepting the Secretary of State slot in Barack Obama’s administration.
I mean, if Barack really though that highly of her, why didn’t he put her on the ticket as his Vice-President, why bring her on as Secretaty of State, a position where she is beneath him and Joe Biden, and is also serving at their pleasure and not that of the electorate? The answer is simple of course, Obama knows what all of us know, Hillary is a highly competent person, who would be an asset to any administration, Obama also knows what all of us suspect, he is afraid to have her too close to him as she would steal the spotlight he so dearly craves.
Our advice to Hillary still stands; better to serve as a Senator at the pleasure of the people of New York, than as a cabinet member at the pleasure of Barack Obama, but Hillary knows best.
I just hope Barack Obama does not use her and dump her, the way he used and dumped everyone else in his ascent to the Presidency.
Once she becomes Secretary of State, the prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected President is effectively down to 0% , which effectively nullifies her whole ambition of cracking the glass ceiling for women. Madeline Albright cracked the ceiling for Secretary of State in the 1990s.
So as Hillary accepts her new position, I wish her all the best, knowing she is bound to do an excellent job.
Posted by PUMA Pundit
Here is an article from the Guardian, UK:
Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.
Obama’s advisers have begun looking into Bill Clinton’s foundation, which distributes millions of dollars to Africa to help with development, to ensure that there is no conflict of interest. But Democrats do not believe that the vetting is likely to be a problem.
Clinton would be well placed to become the country’s dominant voice in foreign affairs, replacing Condoleezza Rice. Since being elected senator for New York, she has specialised in foreign affairs and defence. Although she supported the war in Iraq, she and Obama basically agree on a withdrawal of American troops.
Clinton, who still harbours hopes of a future presidential run, had to weigh up whether she would be better placed by staying in the Senate, which offers a platform for life, or making the more uncertain career move to the secretary of state job.
As part of the coalition-building, Obama today also reached out to his defeated Republican rival, John McCain, to discuss how they could work together to roll back some of the most controversial policies of the Bush years. Putting aside the bitter words thrown about with abandon by both sides during the election campaign, McCain flew to meet Obama at his headquarters in the Kluczynski Federal Building, in downtown Chicago.
Obama, speaking before the meeting, said: “We’re going to have a good conversation about how we can do some work together to fix up the country.” He said he also wanted to thank McCain for his service to the country.
Asked by a reporter whether he would work with Obama, McCain, who has long favoured a bipartisan approach to politics, replied: “Obviously”.
Sources on both sides said Obama did not offer McCain a cabinet job, but focused on how the senator for Arizona could help to guide through Congress legislation that they both strongly favour.
Given Obama’s status as president-in-waiting, the two met in a formal setting, a room decked out with a US flag, and were accompanied by senior advisers. Obama appeared the more relaxed of the two, sitting with legs crossed, smiling broadly and waving to reporters, while McCain sat stiffly, with a seemingly fixed grin.
Although the two clashed during the election campaign over tax policy and withdrawal from Iraq, they have more in common than they have differences. They both favour the closure of the Guantánamo Bay detention centre, an increase in US troops to Afghanistan, immigration reform, stem cell research and measures to tackle climate change, and oppose torture and the widespread use of wire-tapping.
Although Democrats made gains in the Senate in the November 4 elections, they fell short of the 60 seats that would have allowed them to override Republican blocking tactics and will need Republican allies to get Obama’s plans through. This was highlighted today when the Democratic leadership in Congress announced that a broad economic stimulus package Obama sought was not likely to be passed because of Republican opposition.
Obama confirmed at the weekend that he would offer jobs to some Republicans. One of the names that crops up most often is Chuck Hagel, the former Republican senator who is a specialist in foreign affairs and a critic of the Iraq war.
OH! Say it ain’t so!
Good for Hillary! It’s time to move on!!
Well…. I guess she will be answering the 3:00 A:M phone call after all….. just not in the way we had all hoped. She will excel at the job of course, however; will she receive the respect she deserves from the commander in chief? I cannot stand this guy… Am I alone in this thought? It has been what two weeks? I still cannot believe this whole fiasco… He gave up his senate seat early, probably because he does not have the guts to vote “present” on the auto thing…. ridiculous… thank you for letting me vent, we will all stick together……… I will say one more thing… We can think what we want of Bush, but he had nothing but absolute respect for Condoleeza HIS Secretary of State…… He stuck by her at all times / I cannot seem to picture that of Obama, seems he would throw her under the bus first chance he got…. Maybe she sees something in him we do not….
I wonder if this website will now become an anti-Hillary website.
AFan:
It has at least become a site for people who don’t show her much respect. It is silly to think she could do more for the country as a Senator than as Secretary of State. Either they don’t understand politics in the US, or they are so blinded for their dislike of Obama that they would treat Hillary like a child, as if she is not a competent person able to make sound decisions. This is a great day for Hillary and her supporters if it turns out to be true! She will have a strong hand in the government, and will make Obama a better President.
I’m really excited by this development, as it signals a real rapproachment with Obama. Heck, I’m even starting to dislike Obama less, which I thought would never happen. At this point I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and see what his first 6 months brings. At least Palin (a person this site has pretty much become a ghost surrogate for) is not going to be in the White House! Now we get Hillary in the White House! YES! It is very disappointing that she will not be President, and I still think she’d be better than Obama, but Obama does seem to be sincere in his desire to reach out and include her insights in his governing. If the PUMAs don’t see that, they are just being sore losers.
It is very naïve for people to believe that Hillary Clinton as the Secratary of State will have any real power!
This is an excerpt from Wikipedia:
“Though the Cabinet is still an important organ of bureaucratic management, in recent years, the Cabinet has generally declined in relevance as a policy making body. Starting with President Franklin Roosevelt, the trend has been for Presidents to act through the Executive Office of the President or the National Security Council rather than through the Cabinet. This has created a situation in which non-Cabinet officials such as the White House Chief of Staff, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the National Security Advisor are now as powerful as or more powerful than some Cabinet officials.”
“Obama does seem to be sincere in his desire to reach out and include her insights in his governing. If the PUMAs don’t see that, they are just being sore losers.”
Oh, please. Get off the Kool-Aid and get into the real world.
Obama isn’t “reaching out” and “including her insights.” He’s trying to neutralize her and shield himself from criticism by silencing her independent, disgruntled constituents — the 20% of Democrats who voted for John McCain — who are poised to give point out every broken promise and continue giving him a lot of trouble. He’s trying to destroy the still undead Clinton wing of the party by taking it over. The Secretary of State is a figurehead with no real decision-making power. The National Security Advisor has more power than the SoS. Heck, the Chief of Staff has more influence.
This is a naked attempt by Obama to remove Hillary as a rival by becoming her boss. She’ll be traipsing around the world doing nothing save following his marching orders, while he’s here running the nation into the ground. As an added bonus, because the public actually thinks the SoS has clout, he’ll be able to blame her for his foreign policy disasters. And the icing on cake will be that as the nation turns away from him in 2010, she won’t be able to run against him, having to go down forever with his ship.
What you call sore losers are just freedom fighters who live in the reality-based community rather than Obamaland. It’s obvious what the Affirmative Action Bush is trying to do. It’s not worth the risk, Hillary. Hillary, don’t do!
The Secretary of State is fourth in line to be President, is the most senior cabinet member, and is the face of American foreign policy abroad (other than the President of course). There is every indication that Obama will use his cabinet more than previous presidents, and this means Hillary will have a strong voice. There is no way to cut it other than saying Hillary will have a key role in the administration. Unlike Bush the Stupid, Obama has shown his love of debate and taking in all perspectives before making decisions. That he wants someone he has disagreed with vigorously is auspicious.
Still, I’d rather have her as President with him in some minor cabinet position. I feel for poor Hillary, but she is a big girl and I’m going to support whatever decision she makes. Her example, putting country above petty politics, is one that should be an example to the chattering masses.
At this point SOS is the best Hillary can hope for…. this is the apex of her politcal career and she should make the best of it. Good luck to her.
Women’s best hope for shattering the glass ceiling once and for all in now with Sarah Palin and a few others on the perimeter. But Sarah will led the charge…
Go Sarah 2012!!!
I hope the GOP selects Palin. Then we’ll have four MORE years of Hillary in the White House. The Repugs need to learn that extreme religious nutballery is what lost them the election, but they won’t because they are now wedded to each other. The lunatic fringe of the Republican party has become its base. LOL
I hope the GOP choose her also… she is smart, accomplished, and sassy.
She is just what this country needs… challenge to the sexists in every party and the media.
Do it!!!
Go Sarah 2012!!!
It’s so considerate of you Eric, to come here and tell us ‘ladies’ what we should think and what should satisfy us. I’m sure a nice guy like you is unable to recognize impotence when he sees it.
Women got the right to vote 50 years after African-American men did..Shirley Chisholm ran for president in ‘72, it would be fitting to break the ceiling only 40 years later in 2012. Let’s see Hillary got eliminated because she was too experienced, too tough and too competent; Sarah because she was too religious, folksy, good looking and had children….anyone see the Madonna and the whore here?
Badlybehaved - Get over it already…Be happy for Hillary. Would you rather her career die in the senate? I think she’ll make a great SOS.
“The Secretary of State is fourth in line to be President,”
Based on your above statement I conclude that you are either too optimistic or too naïve.
“There is every indication that Obama will use his cabinet more than previous presidents, and this means Hillary will have a strong voice.”
What are the indications?
“Obama has shown his love of debate and taking in all perspectives before making decisions.”
Are you kidding me?
“Would you rather her career die in the senate?”
Would you explain what you mean?
With Hillary in Obama’s back pocket her dream and her supporters dream to see this former FL as president is on the ZERO chances on the 0 to -0 scale!
Obama’s failure in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Poland, Russia, Venezuela, Syria, Danfur, North Korea and Ukraine and Pakistan Al Quada will be Hillary’s failure.
Then only one WOMAN will emerge with no female competition for 2012 to become America’s first woman president: a humble, God fearing mother of 5 kids from Alaska. At 44, Sarah Palin will still be very young and attractive in 4 years, while Hillary will be 63 and down the hill with the Kenyan boy.
Hillary don’t know any foreign language, not even Spanish. Condi Rice knows Russian and like 4 other languages. What a downward will be from an expert in Foreign policy to a former first lady in the DOS! I think half Hispanic Bill Richardson will be better for that Job. Hillary could be better as Attorney General or just stay in the Senate untill Obamamania expires in 4 years.
How Obama Got Elected
http://www.howobamagotelected.com/
As for Obama’s decision-making style, it is well-known, for instance as discussed in this transcript. This means Hillary will have a good deal of influence.
Some idiot said:
It’s so considerate of you Eric, to come here and tell us ‘ladies’ what we should think and what should satisfy us.
Blah blah blah. Way to avoid my substantive comments. You are no better than Jesse Jackson distracting from the issue by blathering on about race when it isn’t relevant to the present discussion. I have no idea who here is a woman, who is a man. I don’t give a shit. I care about the truth.
Hillary has moved on, and I’m supporting her and this is what is best for our country. Now people here are attacking her as SOS choice. Clearly not a Hillary supporter. I wanted her for President, and still do in 2016. SOS is a great way to position herself for that. But you Repugs are now showing your stripes by criticising everything she does.
Some friends you are.
Enjoy the fading memory of your 15 minutes. It’s over. Hillary is in the White House, and the only people remaining here are Repug hacks laughably trying to carry some mantle that Palin would be good solely because she is a woman.
Real Hillary supporters are insulted by this notion that someone should support Palin because Palin is a woman, as if all women are interchangeable objects. You just don’t realize how insulting that is to real feminists. I support Hillary because she is the best, not because she has a vagina.
If Palin will lose badley if the wins the GOP nomination 2012. Infact she won’t win the nomination if Mitt Romney runs again.
Carmelo Junior: Yeah, and look how great we did with Condi as SOS. LOL this place has become a joke. You don’t even pretend to be a Hillary supporter. This site will be a pro-Palin site with pictures of aborted fetuses and anti-evolution tracts within a year.
LOL. Thanks for the laughs. Next time try to be a little less transparent in your ideology. I guess now that the election is over, and you failed miserably, serving to rally the Obama base, it doesn’t matter that you reveal your true colors.
For those actual Hillary supporters, go to her website at http://hillaryclinton.com. That’s a good forum for true Hillary lovers.
Well, Obama knows he can’t only offer people “hope”, and knows he is not that capable to deal all difficult issues. He is smart enough to use Hillary (plus Bill) to work for him, so everything will fit for him, except all those empty words he used to get elected. He broke all the rules for a game play. I still think we have to watch, because it is hard for me to believe some essential characters would change so fast in a person.
There is an interesting article about Johnstown 30 years ago, a church for leftist social movement with programs for the poor..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27743208/
“down the hill with the kenyan boy”… wow. so it didn’t take long for folks to show their true colors. i knew you all were simply rightwing republicans trying to woo women’s votes. i’m not sure how you could ever have supported hillary and say any such thing knowing what she has stood for. Are you so desperate for women leaders that you’ll take whoever is thrown at you? So if you can’t have Hillary you’ll take Sarah Palin? Forget that they are incredibly different people with different beliefs and political platforms. Just have a uterus and she has your support. As a woman I am offended (as obviously most women were because they voted Obama), that McCain would place this woman who was so obviously over her head in a position to diminish the vast accomplishments of Hillary. And, do you really think that the country under the presidency of Hillary Clinton would be the same country under Sarah Palin?
OMG–amazing how unintelligent some of the comments are here. I’m referring to qq’s change of the topic to Jonestown–what the heck does that have to do with anything? And you only prove the point that religious extremists should stay out of politics (ie., Sarah Palin). And then there are the blah, blah, blah sexist claims that really only demean women. I agree with Eric–move on. You’d be making the same claim about Obama calling the race card (which he does not do). Palin should never be compared to Hillary–what a total insult to Hillary!! Hillary would be a fantastic SOS–we’ll see if it happens because as I said before, Bill is not too keen on disclosing his library and foundation donor lists. There is potential conflict of interest which may hurt Hillary. So it is not a done deal, folks.
Gojoebo: I do make my point. Jones was not a religious leader, he was a leftist socialist. Better to read his background before gave your comments and wish you could still have fair sense for comparison. Yes, I am bothered by OB’s socialism and political skills.
qq–Irrelevant to this topic thread. It is about Hillary becoming SOS so what does this have to do with that.?So you are now trying to make a link between the religious cult leader, Jim Jones of Guyana, to Obama? Next thing you will say is Obama was politically influenced by Jones … and then it will become a story about Obama palling around with Jones…and then it will be Obama launching his political career in Jonestown???? Stick to topic and make an intelligent contribution here rather than irrelevant insinuations.
of course Hillary will make a a good SOS! As good as one could be under the thumb of the Obozo.
The Obozo has essentially neutralized Hillary from making any challange to him 2012… he is afraid of women which is why he sent Michelle and the kids backstage during his “we won” speech.. he wanted to savor the moment all to “hisself”.. no women or girls on the stage… jsut him in front of adoring crowds treating him like the messiah..
but I digress… sorta… fact is, the big prize for a woman at the top will not come from the Democratic party for their leader has already demonstrated he will do anything.. I said ANYTHING… to step on women and their issues to get to the top and stay at the top…. Hillary is just a captive now and beholden to a man who shows an obessive regard for “hisself” and a pitiful disregard for the opposite gender…
So we must look elsewhere for the shattering of that glass ceiling and it will need to come from the Republican side of the house…. Sarah being the most obvious choice.. a true liberated woman as the president of the NOW chapter stated when she endorsed Sarah… she is accomplished, smart, executive, not afraid to take on her own party, she is independent, and SASSY.
I’m already counting the months when the PUMAs will usher in a woman to the White House and send homey back to Chicago to do community work with Chicago thugs… can’t wait to send the whole clan back!!!
Go Sarah 2012!!!
Wow, how quickly you diss Hillary and throw her under the bus, as if she doesn’t have her own say in whether or not she chooses to become the next SOS!! Gee, isn’t that ironic when all you have ever claimed is how badly she has been treated by men. And you, a woman, is the one who is now blantantly dissing her for your GOP “sassy” Palin? Now that is sexist!!!
Gojoebo: Hillary has not got position yet, there are still a lot foggy things, including Obama sent lawyers to investigate Bill Clinton. I don’t have your flying mind to make up so many connections and imagine what I would say. I’m a scientist and have to be always based on facts. The point I want to make is that Obama is very manipulative person; there are many things to prove that.
I like Hillary, more than I liked McCain. But the “matrona” (Big Mother)image that appeals to millions will fade away as she would try to please Obiden and the crooks in the power structure of the Kenyan administration. Hillary would say good by to a presidential run in 2012 or even in 2016 when she will be like 69 years old. Come on people! There are more women out there who rose to the national scene by themselves not by their husbands or uncles’s testicles!
Since when did being sassy become criteria for president or any decision-making position for that matter. Sassy… okay. I have been visiting this site for a while and still don’t understand what Barack Obama did that was so awful to Hillary that it summons so much hatred. I was upset with the way the media treated her but that wasn’t Barack Obama. And she didnt speak out against the racist and xenophobic treatment Obama got during the primaries either.
well my only point is she can’t run against Obama in 2012 primaries from inside his administration, so she’d effectively giving up any hope for running again.
if that’s what everyone wants - fine by me.
i wouldn’t think she would want to give up her senate seat. but that’s just me.
I’m sorry for Hillary fanatics. I don’t know what she has other than being the wife of a former president.
I can foresee the following scenario:
1- Be very certain that Sarah Palin will be the GOP nominee. She is already running. That is the start. She has over 65% of republicans and conservatives support. Her closest male competitor, Mitt Romney is way down in the 20s percentile. She has energized the Republicans, thing that no other has done, not even Bush. She draws crowds of thousands of people. Remember that Hillary didn’t even have 50% of democrat support. Edwards and Obama were very close to her. Yet, Hillary had a general 70% support to become president. But the general support don’t nominate people, the party is.
I’d bet money that Sarah Palin will run, she will win 70% of the primaries. Bobby Jindal might become second. I’d bet money that Sarah Palin will make history in 4 years becoming the first woman nominated and winning the presidency. Everything tends to indicate she is “in to win”: a book deal, supporting senate candidates and doing stump speaches and conferences.
I’d bet money that Hillary will resign after 3 years as SOS for “conflicts of interest”.
She will become a fierce opponent of Obama’s foreign policy. That is the receipt for disaster for the democrats: failure in Iraq, failure in Aghanistan, the Russians attacking, Al Quada killing, Chavez taking Latin America and Iran building nukes.
A black president will be yesterday news in 4 years. But still 95% of blacks will blindly vote for the Kenyan boy. But Sarah will pick a Latino as running mate. I see Mario Diaz-Baralt. This move will bring the latino vote back to the Republican party.
With a strong woman who is the female Reagan as candidate, America will take Obama down in 2012.
I don’t know what numbers you’re looking at Carmello but Palin had a net negative favorability rating…This is according to FOX News. 47 unfav - 45 fav. Does that sound like a viable candidate to you? If you need anymore proof, go watch her interview with Katie Couric where she couldn’t even put together a coherent sentence.
On the plus side, she can see Russia from her house….She also favors charging rape victims for rape kits…Go PALIN!
It’s going to be either Jindal, Romney, Barber or Gingrich.
JoeCool,
those numbers that you have are the same that came out after the now famous “Kathy Couric interview”. More unfavorable than favorable, yet that is the “general vision of people”. We are talking about democrats, liberals and independents. Hillary had over 70% of general support in 2006 for the presidency, yet she lost the nomination! In her party she could not go beyond the 50% support!! Check the numbers of 2 years ago!
Sarah right now is way ahead in republican and conservative support. These are the people who nominate! Jindal is way down in the single digits support; Romney is in the 20s. Romney had his chance but the republican base has problems with his MORMOM religion. Ain’t gonna happen again! Sorry Romney…
Bobby Jindal has a shot: Reagan conservative, catholic, young and energetic. But Bobby is not the republican Obama. there are not many Indian-Americans in the USA, sorry Bobby.
Huckabee has zero chance. He is funny and Christian but his joke about the Confederate flag sealed his loser fate 8 months ago. Sorry Mickey, stay with FOX!
Guliani…hummm, he can’t even win Florida…not gonna happen…sorry Rudy.
Who else is there??
Micheal Steel? African American, Catholic, young Reagan conservative….but with ZERO charisma…sorry Mickey…
That takes us to the one and only that can take Obama down in 2012: SARAH PALIN.
She is young, attractive, pro life, pro family, Reagan conservative with a record of fighting corruption and the “old good boys network”. She wants to take down Iran and Russia’s dreams of becoming the only super powers in the world. She has the guts to be president. She might not has a PhD from Harvard but Reagan did not have it either!
Reagan was a mediocre actor, only had a Bachelors degree, a bad joker and an astrology fan yet he became the best president of a generation.
Kathy Couric interview will be history in a couple of years. Then you will see a well prepared Sarah in “Meet the Press”, “60 Minutes”, “The Factor”, you name it!
She will be back wearing her own clothes, saying her own words and running her own campaign. Next time she will be in charge!
Did you see how the other male governors sided by her and let her lead? Don’t that tell you something about who will be the GOP nominee in 2012?
Obama people are praying that the GOP picks boring white Mormom Romney or boring preacher Huckabee. In 2012 we will see a competition between Sarah and Kenyan boy of who bring the more people to their rallies!
I bet cha!
Joe Cool - be sure of your statements
On the plus side, she can see Russia from her house…. (Fey on SNL quote)
She also favors charging rape victims for rape kits… (debunked as a myth)
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I’m really concerned about this years electorate being swayed by all the misinformation… without doubt the most misinformed electorate in American History.
Without Palin, McCain had no chance. We’ll see what 2012 brings…
PUMA’s,
Don’t try to convince the JoeCool’s of the world… let them breathe their own exhaust! It will be all the sweeter when the “right hook” from Alaska lifts them off the ground and sends them back to Chicago in a daze.
Go Sarah 2012!!!
Hey I take that back. Obama people don’t pray to God that Sarah is not the GOP nominee. Obama people are atheists, agnostics, muslims, abortionists, fake Christians and crazies. They have no religion.
I saw a woman in a pick up truck in Texas with Obama bumper sticket and socialist and peace signs but with a ROSARY on the front mirror. What a shame!
I think this site is anti Obama. Not pro Hillary or pro Sarah. Obama is the one who stole the nomination and the elections. Kenyan boy is the reason to fight ,not Hillary. Whoever can take that crazy Kenyan out of the White House, is a friend of the truth , free market, freedom, God and democracy.
If Hillary stays in the Senate refusing to be a puppet of Obama, she will get the respect of all Americans(Democrats, Independents and Republicans). She will be a fierce opponent to Obama’s failures and will place herself for a primaries challege in 2012.
If Hillary accepts to be the puppet SOS of Kenyan boy, her aspirations to be president will go to the trash can. From the Senate she can investigate ACORN and Obama’s dubious past.
Hillary might turn down that SOS offer. We’ll see!
Carmelo - I thought you congratulated him and did not insult on this website? You’re full of shit. I’m an Obama supporter, in Texas, and a Christian. How dare you say “they have no religion”. I really hate stereotypes and you pumas are the queens of stereotyping. You really are dillusional idiots. Someone needs to pray for you because you are so angry. To all of you - where do you see the intelligence in Sarah? Cause I just don’t see it. I am baffled that we are even talking about her. She is a pretty face and that’s it. Remember, she has made her accomplishments in the state of Alaska - the least populated (the size of a medium sized city in the states). Big whoop! I don’t get it. I hope the GOP does put her in there…ha!
OK, now I know Carmelo hasn’t a clue about how US Politics works. Obama will be the nominee in 2012. Hillary will run in 2016, and if she is SoS she will be even better posed to take over the job.
Good bye all. You are not Hillary supporters and never were.
I’ll continue to donate to her campaign at hillaryclinton.com. Remember, not all women are interchangeable: those that want Palin just because Palin has a vagina are idiots. No better than people that voted Obama because he has more melanin in his skin cells.
Get logical, people. Good day.
Eric,
adios, we won’t miss your sexist insults against women and specific against women governors , housewives , Christian and strong women. Bye.
JoeCool–yes, you are right. And Carmelo Junior even states that this is “an anti-Obama, not pro-Hillary or pro-Sarah” site. It is clear that this site has morphed over time. But I encourage you not to leave as it seems that more and more voices like yours and mine are starting to surface here. Let’s keep the dialogue going and hope that the PUMA Pundit moderator here starts to re-direct the conversation by posting articles that encourage thoughtful dialogue–not hateful name calling. I notice that the biggest problem makers on this site have been silent lately–making we can stop the name calling and get back to what this site was intended for–to be supportive of Hillary and our new leaders.
Gojoebo,
if you support Kenyan boy(Obama) you are turning your back to Hillary. Obama is the most arrogant president-elect in US history. He didn’t even have his own family besides him during his victory-fraud speech. That moment was kinda awkward. All cameras on this narcissist fraud! Is the first time I see a victory speech without the wife and the kids of the winner besides him. He waited untill he finished having all the attention to bring his kids and scary wife on stage.
Obama, and ACORN stole the nomination. Criminals funded his campaign, fraudulent thugs helped him steal the elections, he had millions of dollars and nobody knows exactly where that money came from.
We can’t have a dialogue without having our accounts clear. And Obama needs to come out clear once and for all. While this man is still hiding, he will never have the respect of his opponents.
Nobody knows exactly who this guy is, not even YOU! You don’t know nothing about him, just that he says “change” and he is not “Bush”. What dialogue you want with a fraud-elect president?
What is that “civilian paramilitary force”? A draft?
What is the “spread the wealth around” crap? Socialism?
What is(or was) his real association with terrorist Bill Ayers, Tony rezko, Raila Odinga? The Mafia?
What really happend with that gay man Sinclair and the gay men murdered in that Trinity church?
Where exactly did most of that half billion dollars campaign money come from?
Gojoebo, can you answer those questions for him??? I didn’t think so..
Carmelo Junior–Why are you on this with your stated disdain for Hillary? You need to leave now as PUMA Pundit states the following on the Home page (and btw, there is nothing stated about Palin)…
“Hillary supporters; This fight is ours to win. And we will. Invite everyone you know to visit puma08.com and your websites. Write letters to everyone you have an issue with. Write Op-Ed’s.”
Maybe the home page should now be updated now, PUMA Pundit. What IS the philosophical mission now of this site?
Gojoebo,
let me refer to this site’s philosophy as stated on “About us”:
“It is all of us who see through Obama’s persona.
It is all of us who believe that the measure of a man is his character. That people should be judged by the company they keep, the truths they live by and the lies they tell. Judged by whether they pander to the populare line, or take a hard stance, accepting the consequences of their actions and having the courage of their convictions.
We are Independents, Democrats and Republicans. We are far left to far right in our ideals.
We are as diverse as this nation, and we are proud of it.
We ARE a force to be reckoned with.”
As you can see, this site was created by people that are convinced that Barack Hussein Obama is an horrible option to 21 century America. The most radical, inexperienced, arrogant and dangerous of all presidential candidates ever.
In the America of today, who faces the evil of jihadist extremism, Iran looking to be a nuclear power, Hugo Chavez trying to bring dictatorship back to Latin American democracies , Russia attempting to challenge us again by attacking peaceful democratic countries, WE cannot afford this man to have the grip of our resources and money.
This site was created because of corcerns about this man called Barack who we still don’t know who he really is, what he really believes in, how he really managed to get nominated, where all the campaign money came from. It is not his color of skin, not his African roots, not even his muslim past. It is his character, his persona, his real agenda behind that hipnotic “change” message.
The fight is against this man who, as for today, still hides behind the mainstream media. Still hides behind his charismatic Hitlerian message.
You are behind the true message of Peace with Strenght. You and millions others are drinking the Peace in Retreat and the Hope of Empty Words Kool Aid.
I argue you to be more open, to investigate your own president elect. To question yourself instead of being a blind follower.
-What is my leader saying when he talks about a “Civillian Paramilitary Force that will help our Armed Forces’?
-What is my new president’s speciffic plan to fix the economy that is different from Bush’s?
-Where exactly did my new president get that half a billion campaign dollars from? Can he bring to the media speciffic receipts, names, countries, nationality, etc of those donors?
-Is he going to really change the Constitution and the 2d ammendment? The traditional Judeo-Christian definition of marriage?
WHY, instead of being a blind supporter of Kenyan boy you don’t ask yourself these and other dozens of legit questions about this man???
Carmelo: I hope you continue to be a voice for PUMA in the future.
Have fun bashing Hillary.
Pumas — I think a 2 year old is more mature and level-headed than you are.
Anyone that has complete trust in any politician is a fool. As usual, the politician Obama has made it abundantly clear with his choices post election that this will not be the Presidency focused on change, but more of the same.
For those that are confused by the site. PUMA stands for Party Unity My A$$. Stop pretending like you didn’t know this site was dedicated to Obama critics. You’re just trying to make waves. That’s what I consider immature.