At times I feel like it's just me against the world...

  • arnoldray

    Well get ready for many wars in Africa. We now have obama, odinga (kenyan warlord, obama’s cousin), and powell. The perfect storm is brewing for a ground invasion in African wars that will swiftly lead to WW III. Get ready young men and women, sharpen your machetes. Time to go fight obama, odinga wars in Africa.

  • arnoldray

    Let these wars be a lesson to all of you that dissed Hillary, this is what you get.

  • Sparky

    This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About
    a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three
    times since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to
    another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you
    view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work
    with. About six months ago, I started thinking ‘where did the money
    come from for Obama’. I have four daughters who went to College, and
    we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls)
    worked hard and there were lots of student loans.

    I started looking into Obama’s life.

    Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is
    very open about his two years at Occide ntal, he tried all ki nds of
    drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant
    mind, did not app ly himself to his studies. ‘Barry’ (that was the name
    he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad
    Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer
    of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a ’round the world ‘
    trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in
    India,three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his
    roommate’s family, then off to Africa to visit his father’s family.
    My question – Where did he get the money for this trip? ! Nether I, nor
    any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when
    they where in college. When he came back he starte d school at Columbia
    University in New York. It is at this time he wants everyone to callhim Barack – not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia?
    It’s not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition?
    Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a
    Community Organizer for $12,000. a year. Why Chicago? Why not New
    Yor? H e was already living in New York.

    By ‘chance’ he met Antoin ‘Tony’ Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a
    real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud
    and bribery this year. Rezko, was named ‘Entrepreneur of the Decade’
    by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association’. About two
    years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have any idea
    wh at tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for
    Law School? More student loans? After Law school, he went back to
    Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did
    take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? The
    represented ‘Rezar’ which Rezko’s firm. Rezko was one of Obama’s first
    major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago.

    In 2003, Re zko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago
    Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing
    Obama with ‘seed money’ for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama
    purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million
    (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans – Wher e did he
    get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko’s wife, Rita,
    purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times
    reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5
    million three weeks before Obama’s new home was prchased. Obama met
    Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

    Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele
    Obama’s boss. She is now Obama’s chief advisor and he does not make
    any major decisions without talking to her first. Where was Jarrett
    born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I
    going crazy?

    On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was
    ‘sacked’ after the press found out he was having regular contacts with
    ‘Hamas’, which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past
    week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported
    that during Obama’s visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing
    about the war until after he is elected, and he will ‘Take care of
    things’.

    Oh, and by the w ay, remember the college roommates that where born in
    Pakistan? They are in charge of all those ‘small’ Internet campaign
    contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and
    middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?

    And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times
    posted a verbal slip that was made on ‘This Week’ with George
    Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, ‘My Muslim
    faith’. When questioned, ‘he make a mistake’. Some mistake!
    All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check
    it – Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie
    Jarrett: Daily Times – Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington
    Times – September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

    Now the BIG question – If I found out all this information on my own,
    Why haven’t all of our ‘intelligent’ members of the press been
    repo rting this?

    A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear – ‘Beware of the enemy from
    within’!!!

  • Sparky

    By the way – someone emaiul me the above post. I would have never considered voting for this dirty, dirty candidate!

  • LADY HAWK

    ASAP: Go to this link and “sign” the petition in support of the lawsuit for Obama to produce his birth certificate. From there you can also forward an e-mail letter to your Senators and Congressperson. If Obama would just produce his Birth certificate, the case would be dismissed. Instead he has chosen to fight it…

    http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop...

  • PUMAsympathiser

    Colin Powell’s endorsement is a non-issue to me, too. I appreciate you analysis, I know a lot of white people who idolize Colin Powell but I don’t think this will change their votes. I’d have voted for Colin Powell for President had he ever beome the Republican nominee. I would not vote fo him now. That’s the only impact it has on me.

    My background of growing up in a lower socioeconomic black area gave me insights to ACORN and voter fraud and voter intimidation and a host of other issues that are becoming known to others now. What has perplexed me has been the press and what exactly was going on with Barack Obama.’s candidacy, and with the press.

    The biggest issue with Obama, to me is his political connections. Oddly, I found my answer by searching for how the now-deleted Saturday Night LIve skit on George Soros came to be.My overriding question has been how the press was lost. What happened that the press in America stopped being the free press?

    The answer highlights the most serous problem with Obama’s candidacty. Here is the article and near the end is an explanation of what has happened.
    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/06/the….ros-connection/

    Here is the relevant information from the article:

    “The Democracy Alliance is a major avenue to help them achieve their goals. The roster of its growing membership consists of a list of billionaires and mere multi-millionaires who collectively hope to give upwards of 500 million dollars each year to further promote a left-wing agenda. A partial roster of the Democracy Alliance membership can be found here.

    Half a billion dollars a year can purchase a great deal of influence.

    The Sandlers certainly know quite a bit about leverage from their savings and loan days.

    Among the beneficiaries of their largesse: Air America, ACORN (a group that has very close and long lasting ties to Barack Obama and has a long history of engaging in voter fraud. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (basically a private detective group focused on the private faults and foibles of Republicans), Media Matters, a media watchdog group that engages in harsh partisan attacks against media figures and articles it considers supportive of Republicans). The list goes on and on.

    They are not merely out to elect Democrats, but to also permanently realign U.S. politics and shift our society and culture in a far-left wing direction…”

    Follow up on this by reading the Boston Globe article and doing a search for information on “The Democracy Alliance”.

    An Obama presidency will not do anything beneficial for any Americans, black or white.

  • jamakers

    FYI Wikipedia is not a reliable source whatsoever. Anyone can put info. on there, even my 8th grader knows that! That’s a bunch of B.S. in that email. Check your sources.

  • Gojoebo

    This is an email I received that really had a big impact on me with regard to making my decision about who to vote for. It is really scary as it is insightful about John McCain and his mean behavior. I could never consider voting for this dirty, dirty candidate who treats both of his wives and other women so badly. Please read as it is a reliable source.

    MY HOLIDAY WITH JOHN McCAIN

    It was just before John McCain’s last run at the presidential
    nomination in 2000 that my husband and I vacationed in Turtle
    Islandin Fiji with John McCain, Cindy, and their children, including
    Bridget(their adopted Bangladeshi child).

    It was not our intention, but it was our misfortune to be in close
    quarters with John McCain for almost a week, since Turtle Island has
    a small number of bungalows and their focus on communal meals forces
    all vacationers who are there at the same time to get to know each
    other intimately.

    McCain arrived at our first group meal and started reading quotes
    from a pile of William Faulkner books with a forest of Post-Its
    sticking out of them. As an English Literature major myself, my first
    thought was “if he likes this so much, why hasn’t he memorized any of
    this yet?” I soon realized that McCain actually thought we had come
    on vacation to be a volunteer audience for his “readings” which then
    became a regular part of each meal. Out of politeness, none of the
    vacationers initially protested at this intrusion into their blissful
    holiday, but people’s buttons definitely got pushed as the readings
    continued day after day.

    Unfortunately this was not his only contribution to our mealtime
    entertainment. He waxed on during one meal about how Indo-Chine women
    had the best figures and that our American corn-fed women just
    couldn’t meet up to this standard. He also made it a point that all
    of us should stop Cindy from having dessert as her weight was too
    high and made a few comments to Amy, the 25 year old wife of the
    honeymooning couple from Nebraska that she should eat less as she
    needed to lose weight.

    McCain’s appreciation of the beauty of Asian women was so great that
    David, the American economist had to move his Thai wife to the other
    side of the table from McCain, as McCain kept aggressively flirting
    with and touching her.

    Needless to say I was irritated at his large ego and his rude
    behavior towards his wife and other women, but decided he must
    havesome redeeming qualities as he had adopted a handicapped child
    from Bangladesh. I asked him about this one day, and his response was
    shocking: “Oh, that was Cindy’s idea – I didn’t have anything to do
    with it. She just went and adopted this thing without even asking me.
    You can’t imagine how people stare when I wheel this ugly, black
    thing around in a shopping cart in Arizona. No, it wasn’t my idea at
    all.”

    I actively avoided McCain after that, but unfortunately one day he
    engaged me in a political discussion which soon got us on the topic
    of the active US bombing of Iraq at that time. I was shocked when he
    said, “If I was in charge, I would nuke Iraq to teach them a lesson”.

    Given McCain’s personal experience with the horrors of war, I had
    expected a more balanced point of view. I commented on the tragic
    consequences of the nuclear attacks on Japan during WWII — but no,
    he was not to be dissuaded. He went on to say that if it was up to
    him he would have dropped many more nuclear bombs on Japan. I rapidly
    extricated myself from this conversation as I could tell that his
    experience being tortured as a POW didn’t seem to have mellowed out
    his perspective, but rather had made him more aggressive and vengeful
    towards the world.

    My final encounter with McCain was on the morning that he was leaving
    Turtle Island. Amy and I were happily eating pancakes when McCain
    arrived and told Amy that she shouldn’t be having pancakes because
    she needed to lose weight. Amy burst into tears at this abusive
    comment. I felt fiercely protective of Amy and immediately turned to
    McCain and told him to leave her alone. He became very angry and
    abusive towards me, and said, “Don’t you know who I am.” I looked him
    in the face and said, “Yes, you are the biggest asshole I have ever
    met” and headed back to my cabin. I am happy to say that later that
    day when I arrived at lunch I was given a standing ovation by all the
    guests for havingstood up to McCain’s bullying.

    Although I have shared my McCain story informally with friends,thisis
    the first time I am making this public. I almost did so in 2000, when
    McCain first announced his bid for the Republican nomination, but it
    soon became apparent that George Bush was the shoo-in candidate and
    so I did not act then. However, now that there is a very real
    possibility that McCain could be elected as our next president, I
    feel it is my duty as an American citizen to share this story.

    I can’t imagine a more scary outcome for America than that this
    abusive, aggressive man should lead our nation. I have observed him
    in intimate surroundings as he really is, not how the media portrays
    him to be. If his attitudes toward women and his treatment of his own
    family are any indicator of his real personality, then I shudder to
    think what will happen to America were he to be elected as our
    President.

  • http://newtlove.com Newt Love

    Sparky,
    I grew up in California. Occidental College is a private school, and it takes serious amounts of money to attend.

  • One4Justice

    As long as we’re all posting emails, here’s one that I just got, that really tipped the scales for who I’m voting for:

    “I’m voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America.

    I’m voting Democrat because I’d rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America.

    I’m voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

    I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they’ll think we’re a good and decent country.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe people who can’t tell us if it will rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will disappear in ten years if I don’t start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

    I’m voting Democrat because it’s alright to kill millions of babies with partial birth abortions as long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

    I’m voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

    I’m voting Democrat because oil companies’ 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

    I’m voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education, or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can’t blame them for that, can we?

    I’m voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I’ve decided to marry my horse.

    MAKES YA WONDER WHY ANYONE WOULD EVER VOTE REPUBLICAN DOESN’T IT “

  • badlybehaved

    Goooooo_Bozo: You promised you’d go away and now you came back. Didn’t the man behind the curtain promise to use public campaign financing and the not do it. What is this a pattern with you Bozo? Here’s my story, In 1981, I was living in in Pakistan when a young American from Occidental College traveling on an Indonesian passport, helped is roommate with a mercy killing of his cousin…..

  • Sparky

    JoBlowgoes- Let’s really look at the breakdown between John McCain and the Messiah – look through all the attachments to Obama – scary, dirty, fraudulent attachments.

    You are so off your mark…you statements are weak.’

    Where did your boy get his money. Why did he travel to the Middle East.

    So what is his name – Barack or Barry?

    Why is he connected to so many Middle Easterners. Why did so many provide contributions for him.

    Why is there a non-partisan group called Muslims for Obama.

    Most of those Muslims in Dearborn, MI are sending money back to Hamas, especially the restaurant owners. I know for a fact La Shish (a chain started in Dearborn) – the owner was caught sending money to Hamas – he escaped back to Lebananon, left his wife “holding the bag” -she’s in prison, the kids are being raised by relatives.

    Birds of a feather – flock together.

    Now I know why the ONE wants to sit down with the Iranian President….

    Obama followers have got to be the biggest all time ignorant people on the face of the earth.

    See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

    They actually trust this dirty, deceitful candidate with our Security Codes.

    Beyond Scary!

  • badlybehaved

    Last post meant HONOR killing.

  • boemery

    http://newsblaze.com/story/20081019083329zzzz.nb/topstory.html

    This is a link to a site with an article titled “Prominent Black Leaders Support McCain”. Now, whatever your stand on abortion, this is a very significant endorsement, and although the MSM won’t talk about it, at least it’s out there. I consider it quite significant that MLK’s niece is not supporting BO. I also find it rather unsurprising, although traitorous, that Powell is supporting him. (he supported another black Dem., Gov. Wilder of Virginia). And also ironic is the fact that Powell has the nerve to say that McCain is running a dirty campaign, when he worked for Bush, who ran campaign ads that said that McCain’s Bangladesh-adopted daughter was an ‘illegitimate child’ of an affair. Hmmm…do we think that Powell is voting on anything other than race? I think not. Which is his prerogative, but let’s not be hypocritical Colin…
    The national polls are tightening… let’s keep up our prayers!!!!!
    POUNCE! POUNCE!

  • boemery

    p.s.

    DEBATE 3: OBAMA’S LIES (regarding my previous post on his abortion position)

    Obama Lie #1: Obama falsely stated that Born Alive “said you have to provide lifesaving treatment and that would have helped to undermine Roe v. Wade.”

    FACT #1: Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA) simply stated all born alive babies became legally protected persons immediately upon birth, no matter what gestational age and no matter if unwanted abortion survivors. The legislation applied to babies where were completely outside their mothers’ womb and no longer under any jurisdiction of Roe v. Wade.

    Obama Lie #2: “And the Illinois Medical Society, the organization of doctors in Illinois, voted against it. Their Hippocratic Oath would have required them to provide care, and there was already a law in the books.”

    FACT #2: IL abortion law to this day only protects abortion survivors their abortionist deems fit to live. The potential for subjective assessments in these cases is clear to all but Obama. In fact, Obama opposed closing this loophole by voting against legislation to mandate a second doctor be present at deliveries of all live abortion survivors to independently assess their viability.

    During that period, the Attorney General reported that the practice of abandoning infants born alive during late-term abortions was not covered by the law. Jill Stanek and others testified to the practice, and the Illinois Senate heard testimony that suggested that as many as 20% of all late-term abortions resulted in a live birth. Obama lied about the circumstances of the bill; the reason it was being proposed was because existing law was ineffective at protecting infants born alive. (HotAir.com, 10/16)

    Obama Lie #3: “I am completely supportive of a ban on late-term abortions, partial-birth or otherwise, as long as there’s an exception for the mother’s health and life, and this did not contain that exception.”

    FACT #3: First, Obama is using the phrase “late term” to refer to the third trimester of pregnancy. It has long been established that the great majority of partial-birth abortions are performed in the fifth and sixth months; these are babies developed enough to be born alive (hence the term “partial birth”), but are not “late term” in the sense that the phrase is used by pro-abortion advocates. Secondly, the Supreme Court has defined the term “health” to include, in the abortion context, “all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman’s age — relevant to the well-being of the patient.” (NRLC press release, 10/16)

    Obama Lie #4: “But there surely is some common ground when both those who believe in choice and those who are opposed to abortion can come together” — for example, by “helping single mothers if they want to choose to keep the baby.”

    FACT #4: Obama advocates cutting off all federal aid to crisis pregnancy centers (CPCs). Across the nation, CPCs provide all manner of assistance to women who are experiencing crisis pregnancies, and they save the lives of many children. Late in 2007, RHrealitycheck.org, a prominent pro-abortion advocacy website (representing the side hostile to such funding), submitted in writing the following question to the Obama campaign: “Does Sen. Obama support continuing federal funding for crisis pregnancy centers?” The Obama campaign’s written response: “No.” (NRLC press release, 10/16)

    Born Alive Background on Obama

    Obama voted against this straightforward human rights legislation 4 times (aside from his “no” counted “present” vote), stating as the sole state senator speaking against it on the Senate floor in 2001 it would be “unconstitutional” to declare very premature abortion survivors persons because “the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute.”

    In other words, if premature abortion survivors were declared legal persons, they couldn’t be legally “kill[ed]” – Obama’s word.

    Obama not only opposed IL’s BAIPA, he took a leadership role to kill it. His website still contains an ABC News quote from the IL Planned Parenthood CEO at the time stating “Obama approached her” to strategize to defeat BAIPA as well as the Partial Birth Abortion Ban. Barack Obama actually sought out PP to help him defeat a bill protecting abortion survivors.

    Finally, for 4 years Obama lied about his record opposing BAIPA. In 2003 he voted against an identical version that passed 98-0 in the U.S. Senate and for which the pro-abortion group NARAL even expressed neutrality.

    He then purported several times, as recently as August 16, 2008, that the bills were not identical and he would have supported the IL version had it been the same as the federal version. This was yet another LIE, which Obama’s campaign finally had to recant after his actual vote tally from the IL General Assembly archive was posted online.

    Again, I do’nt bring this up as an issue of his position on abortion, it’s on his lying about it. He is constantly being found as lying about his record on the very meager amount of senatorial work he has actually done.

  • boemery

    O4J,
    Surely you’re being sarcastic with that post?

  • amazed

    i am amazed the amount of vitriol and nonsense spewed from both ends on this website. i am angry with myself for even engaging this space. the only way i can explain it is that visiting the site has been my attempt to understand the hysteria on both sides of this political election. needless to say visiting this site (among others) has not helped. instead it makes me so sad and leaves me wondering about the state of human interaction. i interned for hillary clinton as a college student and am still a great admirer and was an early supporter. i have chosen to vote for obama in part because hillary lost the primary; also because she and barak obama share practically identical policy stances. but most importantly i will vote for him because he inspires me. given the state of the world we live in as indicated by this website, he inspires me to be my higher self. and, to me this is more important than anything else right now. his response to some of the nonsensical attacks such as those reflected on this website are testament to this. i used to have more faith in human intelligence that we could see that voting for obama does not mean hating hillary or vice versa. neither is voting for obama mean hating mccain/ palin although i disagree with their policies.

    so after lurking for a while i am choosing to contribute for the first and last time as a way to no longer expose myself to the more base and fear-ridden poison in the world. i wish you all well.

  • sem

    I’ve been a lurker on here for a long time as well. I have always been a big Hillary supporter, voted for her in NY several times between the Senate and the primary. While I intend to vote for Obama in the general, I have no disrespect for anyone who has insurmountable reservations about him.

    But I am curious about something. Are there a lot of Hillary supporters on this site who agree with One4Justice’s long post above?

    I ask because that is not a repudiation of Obama or Dean or Pelosi. It’s a repudiation (and of course a sarcastic misrepresentation) of every basic tenet of the party. I’m not sure how I could agree with the message of that post and still vote for Bill Clinton twice, or respect JFK or LBJ or FDR. More importantly, I couldn’t possibly agree with that post and then go vote for Hillary.

    I would imagine that Hillary supporters would be totally offended by the tone and insinuations of that post. Am I way off?

    I’m just trying to gauge whether being anti-Obama and anti-DNC means that the average PUMA has also adopted GOP-leaning opinions about climate change, gun control, health care reform, immigration, the tax code, constitutional interpretation, etc. I hope this is a reasonable question to ask.

    For the record, this is not in any way an attempt to make any case for Obama. I’m just curious how the passionate Hillary supporters feel about the rhetoric in that post.

    [And, btw, please note that the original version of that email includes a line about sex in the oval office with an intern being ok, and slamming Dem ideas about health care reform. I guess O4J decided to edit that one out.]

  • Gojoebo

    I thought this website was about supporting Hillary, so one would think that if there was a story about McCain treating women poorly, that the bloggers here would be the first to denounce his bad behavior. But instead, as pointed out by Amazed, the bloggers on this site are truly hateful people and they continue to try to belittle me even when I don’t address my message directly to them. They just can’t help their blatantly hateful disposition. And then to see how bloggers here are now starting to put down Hillary herself. As I said in the past, this website is deceitful as it has nothing to do with supporting Hillary anymore. It’s purpose has morphed, and although I thought I would try to contribute and have a discussion with others, it seems the “regulars” here have no desire to act civil or engage in any kind of substantive discussion. At least their numbers are so few and dwindling. Go Hillary– and thanks for all you do for women.

  • Sparky

    Perhaps blowJoego it was about the deceitful way the DNC ran Hillary out and try to silence our votes.

    Get a brain.

    As for amazed – goodbye.

  • Gojoebo

    Sparky–do you think you could, for once, not make up once again a new name for me?? It’s amazing that you are not able to even address people in a respectful manner. All that you seem to be able to do is engage in a one-way dialogue by attacking folks here. It doesn’t sway me though–I am “trolling” on many sites to become informed of voters’ views. Most of them try to engage in a civil discussion, even if they disagree. That’s the way to try to persuade people–and obviously there are others reading this site who are probably getting real turned off by you. Just read some of the recent posts. I am quite baffled by some of the comments and I have been thinking the same thing that “sem” said above–it’s one thing to not want to vote for Obama in support of Hillary, but I really feel that many of the bloggers here would not have voted for a Democrat anyway. It’s beginning to look like many of the bloggers here are the real “trollers” who are, and actually were, voting for McCain all along. I don’t see any reason to believe they were, and are supporting Hillary–not by the type of responses I read as no one would vote McCain, knowing that will perpetuate 4 more years of the same.

  • boemery

    No, Gojoebo, you are trolling because you have no life, and can’t figure out how else to spend your time.

    I am a registered Independent and I would have voted for Hillary. BO should have chosen her, or at the VERY LEAST another woman as his running mate, but he didn’t want to take the focus off of HIM, and that’s what this is REALLY about. He would NEVER have done anything to take the attention off him, which is why he picked a 36-year veteran of the Senate (how’s THAT for change!) who never even got 1% of the vote when he’s run (twice) for president, and is renowned for plaigarism. If women’s issues are soooo important to him, are there not SEVERAL women who are immensely qualified for VP (moreso than him no less)? Yes, there are, but no, he wanted to be ALL of the ticket. We are PUMA’s, and we’re using our vote to voice our displeasure. So you loser trolls keep your useless opinions to yourself, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  • Alice Brito

    What a yawner this is. In the meantime, Michael Powell, Colin’s son, endorsed McCain months ago! Powell was always a mediocre Secretary of State. He must be trolling for a job with O.

  • Gojoebo

    So once again, all you can do is treat me with disrespect. First you say I have no brain (btw, I have a Ph.D.) And then you tell me I have no life–so what does this say about you? Why are you always on this site? Anyway, sorry I don’t have time to elaborate further as this “loser” actually does have a life and I’m off to work. Thank you Barack for looking out for me–I’ll be glad that I will be getting a tax break when Obama is in office. How will you fare with McCain’s plan? Is his plan looking out for you, or maybe you are blessed to be one of the elites who doesn’t need a tax break. I believe in Democratic principles and what they stand for. Not sure what you really stand for except for spreading your dispicable vitriol towards others here, namely me as you continue your diatribe calling me and others who have a different opinion than you “loser trolls.” Whatever…off to work.

  • badlybehaved

    GoBLOW nose: Just like Obama says one thing and does another, we had a secret going away party for you last time! We all talked about how you were spreading you despicable (you spelled it wrong) vitriol towards others: Where do you think wealth will go when it is taxed at 40%?

    Your previous goodbye post

    Sparky–And just where in my most recent post did I even mention Obama. What kool aid are you drinking? I was talking about your bullying, nasty ways you communicate with people. And you just proved my point even further. This website is no longer about supporting Hillary–it is about posting hateful messages about Obama. So yes, you’re right, I no longer should be here as you are the one who is delusional and nasty. And if you think you are convincing me to vote McCain in the manner that you communicate with me, you are dead wrong. It is really disturbing that you act in this immature manner. Over and out for good from this nasty, hateful website. I can only predict that your next message will be to thank you for taking this action–you can continue to denigrate me but I’m not listening so I suggest you don’t even waste your time. Just continue to show your true ugly colors to your fellow bloggers. Have fun!

  • boemery

    Whoa! I don’t understand…

    badlybehaved, is the Sparky – And…Have fun! comment yours or one of GoBlownose’s from another thread? I hope so, because we don’t need any static BETWEEN PUMA’s. Please clarify, so I can set up mediation if necessary!

    Best,
    Fellow PUMA!

  • badlybehaved

    No problems at all but I can see how you might think so; I hope no one else thinks so; I was bringing over Go… ‘spromise to leave and never come back;and then she came back kind of a promise- breaker like “the man behind the curtain.” Last time she was picking on Sparky, now on you; I’m feeling left out.

  • sem

    I have no idea what kind of backstory there is here between previous posters, and I wouldn’t want to get involved in any of that. But I’m curious about my question above.

    Boemery, badlybehaved, Sparky & co. – A sincere and polite question: does your disgust with Obama and the DNC mean you agree with the sentiment in the post above from One4Justice? Do you no longer agree with the basic party ideas re: the environment, taxation, constitutional interpretation, financial sector oversight, social security, the role of diplomacy and alliances in our foreign policy, judicial appointments, and so on?

    Since I can’t imagine agreeing with that post above and still supporting any democratic candidate, I’m just curious whether O4J represents the feelings of the average PUMA on this site. I understand the many reasons people here give for their planned McCain votes and their powerful anti-DNC sentiment. But I wouldn’t have expected to see the broader democratic party concepts and priorities misrepresented and ridiculed.

    I’m assuming that One4Justice’s post is an outlier that is not at all representative of the average PUMA, but I’m not sure. So I thought I’d ask.

    Fair question? Can’t imagine this merits flaming, but hopefully it merits a reply.

  • boemery

    Oh, ok!!!! Whew, I was worried! Sparky and you are two of my faves!

    PUMA UNITED!!!!

    NOBAMA08!!!!!

  • Gojoebo

    Oh, I see now. This is an exclusive “club” where you have “secret going away parties” for bloggers whom you don’t agree with. I came back because I thought I’d try again to engage is a “real” discussion, but I guess I was wrong. Glad to know you are all “PUMA UNITED NOOBAMA08″ folks who glory in your abilities to be independent thinkers. Huh, what could be further from the truth. I bet there are many on here who are “trolling” and who just don’t comment as they find this site to be useless. Oh, and I love the “she was picking on Sparky, now on you. I’m feeling left out.” Unreal behavior and so immature. You spend more time and energy is your immature comments than discussing issues. This election is too important. Goodbye for good–I made a mistake giving this site a second chance. Unsubscribing. Over and out…

  • boemery

    Well, I hope it’s for real this time…

  • badlybehaved

    I will venture an answer SEM; Each PUMA thinks and acts for themselves; What we all agree on is not voting for Obama. The Democratic Party that I have traditionally supported is not the one I see anymore; My feelings have evolved over the course of the primary and general election; I see the disenfranchisement of voters that started in Florida and Michigan continuing with the help of ACORN throughout the caucuses and now we have Obama campaign workers registering to vote in Ohio (Palestra). What is democracy when there is no respect for voting rights?
    The acceptability of the sexism shown towards Hillary and Sarah Palin by Obama’s campaign while at the same time crying racism to anyone who disagrees with them shows an egocentric and opportunistic attitude that I find very concerning.

    I look at the ones we call “trolls” who come here and seem to think we owe them our votes too; What you have to ask yourself is if they are typical of Obama supporters? Then I ask if he attracts this kind of no-boundary, win at all cost person or somehow they are changed by their interactions with one another.

    As far as politics and party beliefs, all can say is the choice stinks but I will vote for the least corrupt. The little bit of experience Obama has had; has not worked out so well; all the money he and Ayers put into the Chicago Schools did not improve them; the low income Housing at Grove Parc was hardly successful.
    I guess that I would say my concern for this particular man prevents me from voting Democratic this time. I will probably work against Democrats as long as they continue to behave the way did this time.

  • Sparky

    BB – I couldn’t stop laughing at your post! You win top prize today!

    boemery – no worries on this end, I knew exactly what BB was trying to relay.

    PUMA Pounce!

  • sem

    badlybehaved – thanks for the thoughtful reply.

    It seems that you wouldn’t agree with One4Justice’s insinuations that the basic party ideas pre-2008 are garbage and un-American, but you can’t quite bring yourself to defend them, because that would mean defending a party that you feel has betrayed you. Fair assessment?

    I don’t want to give too much weight to a single post on here, but I just found it to be so completely anti-Dem (not just Dems-in-2008) that I thought it would be offensive to most Hillary supporters. I’m generally a very open minded person who seeks out all sorts of opposing views to balance my own. But the one thing that gets my fire burnin’ is the argument perfected by our current administration that Democrats are fundamentally anti-America. It really infuriates me that because I have issues with supply-side economics or unilateral pre-emptive warfare, I’m some sort of un-patriotic scumbag. I’ve got a little steam coming out of my ears right now just thinking about it. So I was just really surprised that sort of message would find a home on a site like this.

    But I understand your answer and where your anti-DNC feelings come from.

    I’d be remiss if I didn’t make two parting comments:

    - A lot of people like me “troll” around various sites in order to see how intelligent people express differing viewpoints. I find that a lot more appealing than reading opinions that I already agree with. I’m big on dissenting views, as long as they’re light on hyperbole and heavy on respect. So I’m a “troll” who doesn’t think you owe your vote to anyone, even if I don’t share your opinions. In even our most lopsided elections, few people get more than like 55% of the vote (Reagan ’84 got 58.8). So, to me, that means the answers to the big questions are not nearly as obvious as people at either extreme pretend they are.

    -I read a lot of comments sections on a lot of different web pages (yes, I have a problem), and I very strongly believe that neither supporters of McCain nor Obama will typically embody the hateful, nasty, narrowminded crap that so many people at either extreme are willing to post. So, for what it’s worth, imho, I think the answer to your question about whether your experiences reflect “typical Obama supporters” is no. Just like I don’t think a typical McCain supporter believes, as I read just earlier today, that Obama is “literally either the anti-Christ or a messenger paving the way for the anti-Christ” and that we should all brace ourselves for the coming rapture.

    As I said, for what it’s worth, and in my humble opinion.

    Anyway, good luck all. And, to end on something we all agree on, I look forward to continued great things from Hillary regardless of how this election turns out.

    S

  • JMann

    This may the most thinly veiled race bating tactic Obama has yet to employ. It has failed to be sure but disgusting non-the-less. Colin Powell a career Republican but by no means an ideological Republican turned his back on McCain to save his own ass. This is a very intelligent and capable person had his career skyrocket because of Reagan, Bush I and Bush II but now is suddenly afraid of McCain.

    This guy could of endorsed Obama at anytime over the last year but waits until he can get maximum exposure from the press, or should I say NBC. This is so obvious it is painful… Powell as been called an ‘Uncle Tom’ by Democrats for the last 25 years. He teased people in 1996 when he was thinking about running for President but wouldn’t claim a party. He was recruited by HW and W to run as a VP in 2000 but he wouldn’t commit. He had some Education thing going at the time. He takes the Sec of State job in the W administration and goes on TV to sell the Iraq War.

    He get pushed out of the W administration because he disagrees with the administration’s policy but the media cast him as a loser, dumb ass that was nothing more that W’s puppet. In an attempt to salvage his career and gain favor with the Manhattan media and his Georgetown neighbors he jumps on the Obama bandwagon. This is an attempt to rewrite his ‘legacy’ and gain him favor with the anti-Republicans.

    We are to think that Powell isn’t endorsing Obama because of race but because he is scared of Republican Supreme Court nominees like Alito, Roberts, Souter, Kennedy and Stephens. He isn’t scared of Thomas, Powell, Rice, Rodrick Page…et.at.

    What a tool.