It was bound to happen… Video of “Obama’s Brownshirts” idolizing him…
October 4, 2008 by PUMA Pundit
Ok folks, I am really confused as to whether we’ve officially entered an alternate dimension. This video which shows about 10 black adolescent men wearing combat fatigues, gold painted boots and black t-shirts, all chanting praises to Obama while “stepping” came to my attention earlier on:
Now, for the record, I’ve been a member of a Black Fraternity (the oldest and the coldest one, just in case you’re wondering which) for close to a decade and a half, and the process of stepping and chanting is neither new nor alien to me. What is out of the ordinary is to see young men take the time and effort to get together and engage in synchronized activity for the explicit purpose of adulating a politician.
Personality cults existed in Germany under Hitler, in the Soviet Union under everyone from Stalin to Gorbachev, in China under Mao, and they still exist in Cuba, North Korea, Libya and Iran (albeit for the Mullahs in power).
In America as Americans, despite our staunch republicanism, if we must idolize anyone or anything in government; we idolize the Constitution of these United States, our democratic institutions, due process and the rule of law. We never, ever, idolize individuals, especially those who are still alive and merely running for public office.
Alas, since Barack Obama started his run for President our tradition of due process, and putting Country (and not individual) First, has been systematically eroded by him and his surrogates. We’ve seen the replacement of the normal with the absurd with things such as the Great Seal of Obama, his coronation at the Barackopolis, Obama coins, and we’ve even heard the “Obama Youth” Chorus compose and sing odes to him.
We’ve also seen how his Brownshirts operate and stifle dissent by shutting down radio stations which have the audacity to air shows which are critical of him, we know how he instructs his followers to argue and get in the faces of those who dare disagree with positions that do not recognize him as the savior and redeemer of mankind, we also know how he threatens to SIC the IRS on left of center organizations which dare to feature McCain/Palin. Last but not least, no one can forget how he threatens to use institutions of state to harass and intimidate those who publicly promote positions critical of him.
Which brings me back to the issue of this video. Knowing Obama’s track record, astroturfing was in most likelihood involved in some way shape or form. But even if it wasn’t, what kind of message is being sent to the general public when paramilitary youth dressed in combat fatigues are doing the black version of the goose-step all for the explicit purpose of adulating Obama?
For those who want to say “it’s a black thing” and I don’t understand, please refer to the second paragraph of this post. Incidentally, I would just be as freaked out if McCain had the same proclivity for megalomania as Obama, and a bunch of white men dressed in paramilitary garb engaged in some synchronized activity while singing his praises.
Incidentally, even though it seems Obama is qualified to lead his goon squads, Sarahcuda, thinks (as do all P.U.M.As), that Obama is not qualified to be the Commander-in-Chief of a military he accused of “air raiding villages and killing civilians”…
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Organizing the Community?
I really do think that he’s the Antichrist. May God help us all.
Wake up America!!!
Read this carefully….
Barack’s Uruks come in all shapes and sizes (as evidenced by the boy in front)… if the Obozo is elected it won’t be funny because these groups will spring up all over America and will take names and license plate numbers of anyone who criticizes their illustrious leader…
…. at first America will be shocked and too afraid to do anything about it…. the Obamedia will praise the “community efforts” of these Uruks while the IRS targets any dissentors…. a democratic majority in congress will then seek to change term limits so the Obozo can hold onto the reins of power…
…then a back lash will occur such as has never been seen before or since… worse than the civil war as terrorists groups will have infiltrated and provided funding for these Uruks and will use them as a front to reach America’s streets… terrorists will recruit these Uruks as suicide bombers in the malls and mainstreet…. the front line battle with terrorism will then be fought on the streets of every American city and town…The rural population will rise up to combat these Uruks and the American branch of Al-Qaeda…. and though they will ultimately overcome it will be without a great loss of life and a structural change in America that will alter it forever.
That is the ride America is in for if Barack H. Obama (ak.a. the Obozo for those who know him best) is elected on November 5. He will seek to change times and seasons…
Mark my words… print this out and save it for there will come a time when you will not be allowed to access certain sites under an Obozo administration or if you do and coice dissent like this post then Uruks will break down your door at 2:00 a.m. and cart you and your computer equipment off into the night…
Hillary Clinton would have prevented the Obozo from doing this… but he dissed her and set her aside because he wanted a free hand from left wing liberals such as bin Biden. He has been successful within the Democratic Party and all joking aside now… he must be taken seriously and he must be defeated on November 4th…for the very fabric and future of our country depends on it!
That is why every Puma must convince their family members to vote for McCain and Palin… otherwise we will allow Barack and the Uruks to steal the election as they are doing in Ohio early voting last week….
I am not a prophetess of doom…. but I am a realist… place all the seemingly unconnected pieces on one page and the picture will emerge and it will shock you….
Go Sarah 2008!!!
This video is about as disturbing as the zoombie-eyed children singing. With all of these videos and information stacking against Obama - I can’t believe that some of these people are so blindly ignoring it - just like they did with HITLER.
Food for thought below:
He spent his years in Chicago working with radical, pro-Palestinian elements, although today he says he’s pro-Israel. But again, where’s the evidence for this? There is none. Our allies have much to fear in an Obama presidency. Our enemies have nothing to fear. Yet the Drive-By Media continually tell us that polls they take of citizens of the world, desperately want Barack Obama. Nobody who understands what’s at stake — nobody who has taken the time to delve into who Obama is — wants him anywhere near the presidency of the United States, except our enemies. Let me be blunt about this. Not only is the appeasement left in Europe thrilled about the prospect of an Obama presidency, but so, too, are our enemies. Our enemies tremble at the thought of a McCain-Palin victory. Our enemies will celebrate an Obama-Biden win. Our enemies parrot Democrat Party talking points.
Obama says that we wouldn’t have the financial crisis if we had saved all this money by not going to Iraq. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the supreme leader, president of Iran, says the same thing. The Iranians will immediately send Obama an invitation to meet with them because they heard what he said about no preconditions, and Obama will go, as a citizen of the world, to show that his presence on the scene can make a big difference. J
ust as Neville Chamberlain went back in the 1930s to meet with Hitler, Obama will also declare some kind of diplomatic victory just as Chamberlain did in the thirties. And Iran will take it all to mean that they can act with impunity and Obama won’t do a thing about it — and they’re right, he won’t. What do you think the little democrat countries around Russia think about this election? What do you think they’re hoping? Who do you think they hope will win? Obama’s first words after Russia invaded Georgia, was to urge both sides to stand down!
Let me tell you: Vladimir Putin is wetting his pants in excitement over the prospects of an Obama presidency. So, too, are the ChiComs. So, too, is Hugo Chavez. So, too, is Raul Castro. So, too, is Kim Jong Il. The list goes on.
WasHRCnowPalin - I’m going to do everything I can on my end to pass the word.
We march on.
One4Justice - you seriously may not be that far off from the truth!
If you notice the Obama Trolls always steer clear of these video’s they have no response.
The worst response I heard from people on the children’s video is they thought it was cute - seriously -cute!
If someoe was singing for Hillary - the media would be all over it - calling her Attilla the Hun or other scathing names.
Please PUMAs - stay strong! Pounce!
Sparky,
Great… stand up to this clown… a dangerous clown at that.
I have one more prediction… I’m on a roll today…. if the Obozo wins the election on Nov 4th, Israel will take out Iran before Inauguration day 2009.
If McCain and Sarah win then Israel will wait before taking action….
Go Sarah 2008!!!
WasHRnowPalin - I’m with you on this!
Did you guys listen to what they were saying?
PumaPundit, I find it very strange that as a black man after listening to the entire video, preferably the first 40 seconds, all you got was something negative from the entire video.
So is it the man that they are referencing that is your problem? Or is it the video itself? I’m just trying to gain an understanding of your stance. Because my dad’s an Alpha, and I just think…….I know……he would’ve taken something totally different away from this video.
~Roza
These kids aren’t going to go out and cause chaos if Obama is elected. They are just saying how Obama inspires them. Obama is neither behind, or endorsed acts like this one. I don’t know why Obama scares you if you voted for Hillary. If you wan’t McCain, why did you want Hillary. Please one of you answer me. There is nothing wrong with meeting with foreign leaders. We can’t just ignore them and their comments. If they are soiling themselves for Obama, they would be pissing just as hard for Hillary. I swear if America gets in another war, (which seams likely for McCain) are allies will depart from us. Obama supported the idea of Michigan and Florida counting, even thouogh he wasn’t on the ballot in Michigan. Plus even if they had counted fully, Obama still would have won the nomination. If Obama isn’t qualified to be president, Palin sure as hell isn’t. I voted Hillary, and I will do so again in November. Even if it reads Obama
PUMAs I’ve encouraged the folks at purplepeoplevote.com to come to our website as well.
Together the folks on “all” of these site can make it happen.
Unite - Pounce, pounce!’
http://purplepeoplevote.com
Hillary Rules - Obama stole the votes the Hillary earned in Michigan -first with half - then with all of her votes.
One more note for you if you think in any way that the Clintons are supporting Obama - read between the lines - watch their actions.
HIllary is putting in as much as she will to show her party unity - nothing more or less. Bill is speaking in two tones - listen very careful to his words - we are and we read his message loud and clear.
You sold yourself for cheaper goods. Congrats - enjoy your “dirty” ride.
The first signs of Communist infiltration is the exploitation of youngsters. They brainwash the minds of young, vulnerable, impressionable children and take away anything that resembles individualism. This is just an inkling of what we see if Obama is elected.
Have you noticed that Obama proposes near-mandatory (and maybe purely mandatory) service for youth? At best, in order to qualify for the $4,000 per year “fully refundable” tax credit for education, the student must do community service. At that point, he/she must attend certain classes about community service to get the right “ideas” about serving the community. In one interview, he talked of mandatory military service if there was a war as there is now, and he seemed to indicate that one could be exempted from that by being engaged in the govenment-approved civil service.
It’s all really concerning.
One other thing is that the IRS is by far the most powerful tool the government has over the people. Obama’s plans call for the use of the IRS as the distributor of welfare (thereby evading Clinton’s welfare reforms). We”ve already seen his willingness to use the threat of the IRS as a tool. The control over the society that Obama’s plan for nationalized community service is truly a threat.
Government-indroctrinated youth is very strongly suggested in his plan, as it’s written and as it is discussed. It is truly a scarey thought when one considers how this man can use that.
I appreciate this forum, and can really say that I see enough of what the pro-Obama people say elsewhere. I’m not interested in reading their “thoughs” here and do tend to avoid reading their comments here.
These guys are dawning battle uniforms. This is a fed sponsored school. I bet big bisiness was forced to fund these brainwashed kids. WE CAN EXPECT MORE FROM OUR GREAT AND POWERFUL OBAMA LEADER!
This just smells of socialism! RUN PEOPLE!!!
Why not replace “Because of Obama” with “Because I am motivated”
Obama is wannabe dictator, wait till he is elected. It will be his way or the highway and his way will make your wallet shrink fast.
Do they REALLY need Obama to motivate them. No Identiies for themselves.
Because of Obama I have no idenity - I will become a better person because of him, not for myself, my family or my country - but becaue of Obama.
Roza - this is disturbing.
PUMAsympathiser - there is always an excuse for him…always - heaven forbid if they see this for what it is truly becoming.
LOOK AT ALL THE SIGNS!
They can’t because if they do it would take away a portion of what they believed in and they don’t want to dissolve their illusion - they truly believe he is the one.
VERY SAD!
Those with a sense for history will see that the structure and militant display is similar to the Black Panthers. It would not surprise me that those training these youths are using that organization as an example.
Obama is not a saviour, just a very liberal Senator from Chicago with not much experience. Hopefully these kids will be able to think for themselves one day.
I think he is saying get used to an affirmative action nation. No longer will people be judged on their merits, we will be handed our leaders as put forth by Democratic party leaders and the media.
Only in an affirmative action country could we have a president who used AA to get into Columbia and Harvard Law, who is friends with people like Ayers, Wright, Rezko, who opposed the surge - the most important policy decision he has ever had to make, and who is in the pocket of Fannie Mae.
Sorry folks - I’m on a roll….
Yes we can? Yes we can get into Columbia and Harvard Law with poor grades? Yes we can? Yes we can run for president without ever being a leader in his life? Yes we can? Yes we can become successful despite being friends with a felon like Rezko, a terrorist like Ayers and a racist like Rev Wright? Yes we can? Yes we can take more money from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae than any other Senator, impede progress, push financial disaster, and then blame someone else? Yes we can!
Ok, so I just got a response from my dad, so I wanted to share it with you guys:
“Wow, that was something. Our young men, men of color especially need more positive role models, and I think this was a great testament of what happens when those individuals exist. If any negativity is perceived from it, I think it would be the part about “Obama’s healthcare plan”, and that is because they are so young. So people will probably perceive it as “some adult told them to say that”.
As for your question, you know, it’s really easy for people to criticize a situation when they are watching from the sidelines. We live this everyday. You and I both are around kids like these everyday, we know the struggle, we know what they could be doing in place of this, so don’t get discouraged. You know I think anytime I see young fellas standing up and saying Barack Obama inspires me, or Colin Powell inspires me, or Condoleeza Rice and Hillary Clinton inspire me, and not Young Jeezy or the girls in the videos inspire me, it’s a good day.”
(end of email)
So I just wanted to post that because it just about sums up what I thought about the video too.
~Roza
This is a cut and paste from Beyond the Headlines about the origins of this video: it was filmed at a Charter school in Kansas City for 5th to 8th Graders with tax dollars
And is this performance by students of Urban Community Leadership Academy of Kansas City, MO even legal? Here is what the information box says next to this YouTube video:
I called and spoke to Bernard, who said he was the assistant Dean. He was very gentlemanly and when I voiced my concerns about the video, he told me that this was taken at the school last year when Obama was beginning his campaign. He assured me that they stopped this “regiment” because they felt the person who was organizing it was pushing his political agenda.
Duh.
He assured me that he didn’t know it was on YouTube. I gave him the link to where to go for this video and when he found it he said, “Oh this is not good. I had no idea” I told him I’d take his word for it. He then asked me, nicely, “what’s the main concern? Because I want to understand where you’re coming from so that I can figure out how to handle this.”
Nicely, I told him that the video looked militant. I told him about the Colburn School video and how it resembles propaganda films from Communist dictatorships. I told him that the US military is frowned upon for going to high schools trying to recruit potential grads into joining their ranks. Why shouldn’t we frown upon those who come to a school like yours to encourage kids to worship a politician? One who is not even a president.
I also said that if this was done to make kids feel better about themselves, why do it in the name of Obama? Why not encourage kids to believe in the power of themselves?
He assured me that he would get to the bottom of the situation, thanked me for my call and we hung up.
Apparently this Obama paramilitary video has also made others uneasy as you can see in these YouTube comments:
Blind ideologue sycophants for Obama!
This should scare the hell out of any freedom loving American. The Democrats, their accomplices in the media and the schools, are producing the next generation of Hitler Youth. Welcome to the People’s Socialist Republic of America.
Why does this scare us? Because of the “because of Obama” line, repeated over and over. This cult-of-personality shit is scary… Obama is a POLITICIAN. Understand that? He’s a politician, with all that implies.
Look, it is commendable that these young men want to become doctors, lawyers, mechanics and engineers but why the cultist devotion to Obama? And why are they reciting Obama’s health care plan? What has that to do with their plans to excel?
Imagine the reaction from the mainstream media if there were some paramilitary youth group in a public school chanting ritualistic praise for John McCain. However, since the “Dear Leader” in this case is Barack Obama, all we get from the MSM are the sounds of silence.
Sparky we obviously come from two different worlds, so I’m certain this conversation won’t really do anything for me.
“Do they REALLY need Obama to motivate them. No Identiies for themselves”
OF COURSE they do. ALL kids need role models, and the sad reality is that for children of color in America OVER HALF do not have that positive influence in their homes.
It is so easy for you to spew such cynical remarks on this board, but its totally different to get out and do something about it. Not many things get under my skin, but this topic definitely does. It shows that you guys are so OUT OF TOUCH with reality, and what really goes on in other parts of this country. I work with kids everyday who are working their ASSES off trying to get out of their “project neighborhoods” and nobody gives them ANYTHING! They could be selling drugs, or stealing, or prostituting, and acting out everything they see on BET and MTV, but they CHOOSE to admire people like Barack Obama who have done the total opposite. You are SO blind in your hate for him as a man, that it has become IMPOSSIBLE for you to see what hope he does offer to that little girl in the projects who doesn’t know her father, or that hispanic boy who’s parents died just so he could make it America. You statements are careless, and insensitive, and cowardly, and it doesn’t just piss me off, it breaks my heart to know that people in this great country, STILL think like that.
~Roza
Ayers had two Masters of Education and a Doctorate. The children in the singing video are from another school; The Coburn School of Music in LA; they were taught the song by a teacher. You can see more on You Tube including the contact numbers for the school in case you would like to voice your opinion.
I’m not out of touch with this Roza, I work with kids who are abused and neglected and turn to drugs and gangs; I can try to make an argument that this isn’t that much different than the Girl Scout Pledge or even singing hymns in church but the difference is I have never in my life heard of publicly funded schools promoting a particular candidate; As you know my daughter is a teacher (social studies) and she always works at having kids learn to think for themselves and evaluate candidates. Actually I called my cousin(a nun) and asked if back when Kennedy was nominated, did they have campaign stuff in the Catholic Schools and she said, “No.”
All of your points were valid badlybehaved, I understand. I was not questioning your stance on this being filmed in a public school. I was questioning commnets by others such as:
“Yes we can? Yes we can get into Columbia and Harvard Law with poor grades? Yes we can? Yes we can run for president without ever being a leader in his life? Yes we can?” and “Do they REALLY need Obama to motivate them. No Identiies for themselves”
My argument is that people get so hung up in their hatred for this man, that they will go to any lengths to discount ANY positive influence that he HAS had on communites across this country and this world. The reality is children DO look up to him, and not always because people tell them too, but because he offers them hope that even though their lives are screwed up now, and people tell you, you may never amount to anything, you too can still overcome it. That’s just the reality, and anyone who does not see that, IS out of touch with reality.
Question: Does your daughter teach her students that role models are not important? AND If this video was taken at someone’s house was your opinion be any different?
Well, all I can say is, you can’t fix stupid!
Absolutely it would make a difference. I can’t reply at length to this right now. Catch you later?
Roza - I was born in Detroit, Michigan. My dad had businesses there and we always made sure that locals were hired. We trained the locals to be managers and provided the teenagers breaktimes to get their homework done.
When some families didn’t have enough money on their welfare checks to cover their bills, we picked up the rest of tab.
We bought our lunches from the local ministries that sold soul food - to date some of the best memories and food I’ve ever had.
Unfortunately we left during the riots when a then Mayor Coleman Young told all of us white folks to “go North of 8 mile”.
The suburbs thrived, Detroit has disenegrated before our very eyes. All because of the ignorance of voters with blinders on.
Let’s talk about all the “Democratic” leadership in Detroit and what it has had to offer all these years, was it becasue they were black or was it mainly with their political practices that drove the city down.
To this day the current Mayor has gone to jail and yet the blacks in Detroit still praise him and call him “one of us”.
Blindly - they won’t accept what his mistakes are - they just make excuses for him - why do you think - ask your dad that.
Please do not ever assume. To assume is a liability.
Ok, that makes me feel better.
~Rozalemagne
Sparky, we do come from 2 different worlds. Your dad was the guy giving handouts, my dad was the guy that refused to take them. And that’s not to discount anything that your dad did, it’s very admirable. That’s just the reality of the situation.
If your background is actually what you say above, it disturbs me even more that you would make comments like you have about the children in this video.
As for you experience growing up with a corrupt Mayor and the black people supporting him,that is the reason why children of color…children period, need positive role models. So they won’t just look up to anybody in power who looks like them.
Were not those people that are for “our own” simply because they are “our own” (i.e. voting for Barack b.c he’s black, or Palin b.c she’s a woman.) So I don’t even have to ask my dad that. I know EXACTLY what he would say.
~Roza
There are two types of people voting for Obama: Those that want to give handouts, and those that want to take ‘em.
You know, I don’t mind paying for all of the infrastructure, libraries, parks, schools, educating everyone elses children, medical, etc. But where we part ways is when all those people who don’t pay taxes want me to pay more in taxes so that I can pay for their health insurance too. So, enough already! Do the honorable thing, like some of our dads did, and just say no to the handouts!
One 4 Justice,
What type of people are voting for McCain? Those that want to pay for the handouts that go to rebuild OTHER countries, and not the one in which we live and pay taxes?
~Roza
LOL Obama wants to do that too! He’s doin’ it all! He even wants to give money to Iran!!!
Even with our new found economic crises Obama wasn’t able to list any areas where he would cut back on his spending. In fact, in response to that direct questions, he said that there are areas which he thinks are underfunded, like early childhood education! So brace yourself for his tax and spend socialism—-change is coming!
Now, be off with you. I don’t have time for your nonsense. Go tell someone else about how honorable your father is for not taking handouts, and then go vote for Obama so you can get your hands on the tax dollars of the hard working small busines owners like myself. I’d wager a bet that you and your father fall into the 30-40% that doesn’t pay taxes, don’t you Roza LOL
So you go ahead with your smug superiority and righteous indignation, while you “refuse” handouts but take my tax dollars, and you watch while this country is brought to it’s knees when Obama drives business overseas. Because business is not going to stick around to pay for all the charity that Obama has in mind. We’ve already been taxing buiness so much that we’re driving them out. Where does your call end up when you call your tech support for just about anything? That’s right: India. Go figure.
WOW, you really are as lame as I thought.
There you go again butting into other people’s conversation and making yourself look like an ass. I am now convinced that you are one of those college students, posing to be an adult…….. and I’m the one who’s smug?
But, yeah my father and I pay taxes, and we don’t mind them being used for people that make less than we do. After all of your ranting, you STILL didn’t answer the question of what type of people vite for John McCain.
Seeing as though, the conversation was a debate of opinions between Sparky and I about backgrounds, perhaps you should be the one to “go ahead”. Because like it or not, WE are still going to have this conversation like respectful adults, as we do on a daily basis.
Your antics are SUCH an embarssment.
~Roza
BTW, let’s go ahead and wager that bet.
Okay - I have a totally irrelevant question to ask - how do I post a picture for the identity post. I tried looking it up on the administration level.
I know totally irrelevant.
By the way Roza - my dad was a small business owner, the taxes and minimum wage forced him into early retirement because he couldn’t compete with the larger and foreign businesses.
He worked 7 days a week - 14 hours a day -and never hesistated to help people. He offered jobs so that people would leave with their dignity intact.
He knew that providing jobs, in turn the locals would have more money to invest in the community businesses. It’s all economics and he had a heart of gold.
He passed away 2 years ago - 600 people showed up to his funeral - they all heard about it in the obituaries - I found most of the stories about his generosity not from him, but from some of those people in Detroit that he helped out years ago. Some started their own business with his assistance, others showed up to pay respects for a man who went over and beyond for his community when he didn’t have to.
I also should have told you that he had a sawed-off shot shoved in his face more times than you can blink your eyes and my mother has a baseball bat slammed into the back of her head left to die next to her vehicle.
To this day - neither one of them ever spoke disrespectfully about black people and instilled that in their children.
They said that it wasnh’t their fault, they were a product of their environment and if they would just remove the welfare, it would motivate people to work and retain their dignity.
There were many stories of his kind heart.
They were life long Democrats. Dad passed away abstaing from voting in the last electgion. My mother for the first time will vote Republican. Not because of Obama’s race or gender - but because she no longer believes the Democratic party is affiliated with her beliefs.
One4Justice I truly do know your plight. If the taxes are put under control the lending instituions won’t be the only system failures - it will go across the board like a domino effect.
Hang in there and stay strong.
Senator Barack Obama declared recently that he wants to reform our tax code so that it rewards work and not just wealth. We think that is a great goal if it means a simple tax system with low marginal tax rates. Unfortunately, a close inspection of Obama’s proposals reveals something disquieting: he would raise marginal tax rates for many middle-income taxpayers, a bad move for anyone seeking to promote economic growth.
Although Obama is offering a new series of tax breaks, they undermine rather than improve economic incentives. First, whether or not you get those breaks will depend on your income. In Washington, taking away tax breaks as families work harder to make more money is called a phase-out. Economists have a different name for it we call it a tax. Reducing a person’s tax credit as his income goes up also reduces his incentive to earn more income.
Second, Obama would make some credits refundable for families with credits bigger than their tax liability, which would also have the nefarious effect of raising marginal tax rates. For example, consider a worker in the 10 percent bracket with $1,000 of tax liability before credits who claims $1,200 in credits. The tax impact of earning an extra $100 depends on whether the credit is refundable. If it’s not refundable, there’s no tax penalty on earning the extra $100 because the worker’s tax liability stays at zero. But if the credit is refundable, earning the extra money pushes the tax up from negative $200 to negative $190 that’s a 10 percent penalty on earning income.
The solid line in the nearby chart illustrates the effective marginal tax rate under Obama[s tax proposals (based on the authoritative Preliminary Analysis of the 2008 Presidential Candidates Tax Plans, published by the Brookings Institution/Urban Institute[s Tax Policy Center). These are the marginal rates in 2009 for a two-earner couple with two children a college freshman and a 12-year-old receiving after-school care under some specific assumptions. For comparison, the dotted line on the chart illustrates the effective tax rates under current law. The rates shown in the chart are not spelled out in the tax code; they are the result of giving and taking away tax breaks as the household’s income changes.
As the chart shows, Obama’s give-and-take tax policy results in marginal tax rates of 34 percent to 39 percent in the $31,000 to $45,000 income range for this family. That’s an increase of 13 percentage points or more from the current rates.
What accounts for the higher rates? First, Obama expands the maximum child and dependent care credit for families with one young child from $1,050 to $1,500 and phases down the credit over a longer income range, from $30,000 to $58,000. Throughout this income range, the credit is phasing out at a rate of $30 per $1,000 of income, thus raising the effective tax rate by 3 percentage points. Obama also makes certain credits refundable, which introduces a tax penalty of 10 percent or 15 percent, depending on the income bracket.
While Obama has publicly embraced a tax rate of 40 percent for couples earning over $350,000, his tax policies would result in a staggering 45 percent effective marginal rate in the $110,000 to $120,000 income range for this family. That is 11 percentage points higher than under current law.
The culprit in this case is Obama’s proposed reform of the Hope Scholarship Tax Credit for college tuition, which he would rename the American Opportunity Tax Credit. He would increase the credit’s maximum value from $1,800 to $4,000 while still phasing out the credit over the same income range, $100,000 to $120,000. The larger phase-out would boost the penalty on work from 9 percentage points to 20 percentage points.
Sparky, you click right above where you post on “gravatar” and it’ll tell you all the steps. I selected one that I had on computer and just cropped it b.c my husband and son were in it. But they have alot of other images you can select from if you don’t want to put one of yourself.
~Roza
Thanks Sparky.
Unfortunately, it’s not just me who suffers from the outrageous tax and spend policies. I will be forced to cut jobs, which means unemployment is going to go up. And all those unemployed people will then draw unemployment paid with the tax dollars that forced me to cut their job! So the government will be getting more tax dollars from me, I’ll cut jobs, and the tax dollars will go to pay unemployment. How is that better?
As far as the pic, click on the gravatar link and then click to sign up for one. Instead of choosing one of theirs, you can browse your computer and upload a pic of you or of something else that you have on your computer. Most of us surfed the net, found a pic, saved it to our computer, and uploaded it. Others uploaded a picture of themselves trying to look coy. It’s all personal preference, and speaks volumes about the person. Can’t wait to see yours!
Sparky, I respect that on so many levels. Seriously, not being cynical, but genuine.
The point that I was making is that we come from two different world’s, that’s it. And we can argue that one person’s struggle was harder, or whatever else, all day. But the fact that we have a totally different outlook on life, is reality.
Another question for you.
I have ALWAYS agreed that there are SERIOUS flaws in our welfare system. My parents too, even though they were poor in the first 7 years of my life, they never once applied for welfare, not being superior, just prideful. But to say that welfare should be eliminated is a far stretch. Believe it or not, there are people on welfare working their asses off, trying to get off the assistance. So if we eliminate welfare, what happens to the recipients that really need it?
It’s so easy for people to judge a situation that they have never been in, but this is America…………… Aren’t we supposed to look out for our own? I agree, poor women that have 5&6 kids and have no intention of ever being self-sufficient should be cut off, but again, what about the people that are trying.
And you know Sparky, I’m not even asking for any tax breaks. All I’m asking is, for God’s sake, don’t increase them!
You can’t expect for 5% of us to pay for the ride for the other 95%. You can’t increase spending, cut taxes for 95% of the taxpayers, and expect 5% of the taxpayers to pay the way for the rest! At least, you can’t do it without raising unemployment and driving business overseas. And that would definitely not be good for our economy.
Anyone who would cut welfare to a woman with 5 or 6 kids hasn’t thought things through very well.
First of all, how can a woman with 5 or 6 kids magically afford daycare to watch the kids while she works? She can’t. So how can you expect her to magically be able to work full time and support them all. Second of all, by cutting off her welfare, you’ve now created a situation of forced neglect—she cannot feed and clothe them—-and they’ll be put in foster homes by child welfare services. This will cost the taxpayers far more than the welfare we would have been paying the mother to keep the kids in her home, and it will traumatize children. Bad idea.
I don’t think anyone has proposed eliminating welfare. I’ve never heard of that being an issue in this case.
You are talking in circles and contradicting yourself.
Just above you stated:
“But where we part ways is when all those people who don’t pay taxes want me to pay more in taxes so that I can pay for their health insurance too. So, enough already! Do the honorable thing, like some of our dads did, and just say no to the handouts!”
Now you support the continuation of government assistance to a woman that continuously has children, relying on us taxpayers to support her irresponsible decisions, and NOT working toward any form of self-sufficiency?
Which is it? Because right now, you’re making no sense. And your assumption of what will happen if our government was to cut benefits is TOTALLY wrong.
Anyone who on baby#1 cannot afford to take care of baby#1 and gets welfare, but instead of bouncing back and having baby #’s 2,3,4,5 is abusing the welfare system and THAT’S what needs to stop.
This is what NEEDS to happen. Just like the stock market and big corporations need to be regulated, so does the welfare system. If a mother applies for welfare when pregnant with baby #1 it needs to come with attachments. Meaning, once the baby is born she waits her 8 weeks for recovery and then she is given daycare assistance. The child goes to daycare, the mother either A) gets a full-time job or B) gets a part-time job and goes to school. If she chooses option a, she should continue to receive the DC assistance, and depending on how much the job pays, healthcare, and minimal food and housing assistance. If she chooses option B, she should receive all of what I mentioned above only IF it is not offered at the college or university she chooses (because many schools are offering programs for parents now-based on need). With option, B the mother should be regularly monitored on work, home, and school life. Is she taking care of her child? Is she attending classes and achieving? Is she keeping that, at least part-time job? And for both options A & B there should be a LIMIT to how much assistance recipients receive. This keeping people on welfare for YEARS and not making them work toward self-sufficiency is what’s hurting us. NOT the service itself.
~Roza
P.S. If you are going to respond to my post, read the entire thing. You are just taking a sentence or 2 and running off on these wild tangents.
ONCE AGAIN, you’re not reading people’s entire post. I was responding to something Sparky was saying about her parents.
“They said that it wasn’t their fault, they were a product of their environment and if they would just remove the welfare, it would motivate people to work and retain their dignity.”
And I was responding saying basically, that some people should be denied benefits, but some working people actually need it.
If you would focus less time on trying to attack me, and more time on actually reading everybody’s post, your post would reflect someone that know’s what he/she is talking about.
Just slow down, and let’s get back focussed.
~Roza
To an earlier subject on this thread. Those who compare obama to hitler have it wrong. obama is not the equivalent to hitler. hitler hated socialists and liberals. His countrymen resented the economic punishment (bailout) the world imposed on Germany after WW1.
The proper historical parallel to obama would be the leaders of pre nazi Germany who were radical socialists. obamas policy will inspire a hitler like future leader who will rally the nationalistic pride in America. The dregs and drags on society will be the next target like in nazi Germany.
We wont be the USSA (United Socialist States of America) we will be the United Fascist States of America with WWIII to follow.
Hey, I didn’t invent the phrase history repeats itself.
Cute name.
~Roza
Understood Roza - and I respect your perspective.
I understand that you just can’t cut people off - it’s not a logical or realistic approach. We just need to find a way to get people out of their situation because they want to. Unfortunately handing money out is the path of least resistance.
The projects and inner-city life is a vicious cycle. Every once in a while someone stands up and says I want something better than this. The study harder, work harder and literally crawl out (not walk - it’s just not that easy). That’s what I would like to see - but keeping people on welfare is holding them back.
I worked over 80 hours a week and I have about 38% of my taxes taken out now, no way do I want to have 45% taken away - why bother - I might as well quit my job and flip burgers - I’d probably make more money and work less hours.
Globetrotter - I share yoru sentiment.
Funny. I know it’s not meant to be funny, but I feel the EXACT same way sometimes. It’s kind of like, why did I work so hard to do the right thing, when people that did the opposite reap the benefit of my success.
But I know people that come into our community center, that are working-poor, that cannot get governmental assistance because “they have a job”.
Now that’s what’s crazy to me.
But we do agree at least on this right…………..that our current welfare system is one with a crippling effect?
~Roza
P.S. Where’s the picture?
I’ll work on the picture tomorrow - I’m really suppose to be completing my finals.
It’s due at midnight tonight and I have a 12 slide PowerPoint Presentation also do at midnight.
The worst part about this situation Roza is that illegal immigrants actually have more rights than you, I and the folks on welfare.
The cylce has just gotten more vicious.
The government just can’t keep tapping into folks like you and I - they need to cut their wild spending and direct the money towards the folks that really need it.
Good point Globetrotter, and welcome back to the forum. Haven’t seen you in a while
And also some very good points Sparky—you are dead-on.
Roza, I’m not going to bother to respond to your inane statements, so all I’ll say is, you go girl! You just keep on trying! What you lack in common sense you make up for with tenacity
It’s so clear now from seeing Rozathegreat’s picture, that she is not only president of BHO’s fan club, she’s president of her own. I bet she has a Rozaopolis setup in her house, and her own coins and seal. Why must you toture us PUMA’s? Go play with Lillith and TmCm (or whatever it is), and all the other BHO worshippers on another site. The Glamour Shot picture is giving me a headache. By the way, tell your dad, it’s like with OJ Simpson and black folks…you don’t get justice by acquitting a guilty man, you get it by acquitting an innocent one (which he was not, and yet, somehow, the black community he forgot until he needed them, think that they ‘won’ because he was acquitted) Just because BHO is black, doesn’t mean he’s a ‘positive role model’. Flavor Flav is black too, is HE a positive role model?
LOL @ boemery—–you hit the nail on the head! ROFLMAO
By the way Puma pundit…I love your post. I think it’s been hard for smart black folks to say anything negative about BO because they get static (it’s like Israel, you can’t say anything at all to question them or else you’re labeled anti-semitic). I applaud you, and you are right on with your assertions…he is unbelievably arrogant, and very Hitleresque with his ability to hypnotize people. I mean, he made his speech in Berlin right near a Nazi monument, and noone even caught it…I mean really…
If it’s a question of trust, I certainly don’t trust BO. And the Obama youth song, and this stepping video reiterate that he is just a celebrity at best, and a very scary personality at least. There are so many questions about him that it’s sad how many people are caught up in his celebrity to overlook them. God Help Us!
NoBama08!
p.s. Let’s hope for a real ‘October surprise’, one that will be a ‘treat’ and expose the ‘messiah’s’ ‘tricks’.!
Thank you One4Justice, I amused myself with that one as well!
OMG boemery I’m STILL laughing—–you hit it out of the park with that one!
Awe boemery - take it easy on Roza - she may have her viewpoints - but I can tell you she is not a Troll. She has her opinions and they may not agree with ours, but she has been open-minded on some issues.
TmCm, Mangelo (I still think they are one and the same), Lillth and Renshaw the woman hater - are difintely trolls.
I’m still on the border with just_an_observer.
By the way you are doing an outstanding job on your posts. You are a valuable and solid asset to the PUMA mission.
Talk soon.
Boemery - One4Justice - my biggest concern right now is the voter fraud. I have a feeling this election will have lawsuits filed on both sides for quite a while.
This election year is extremely important to the Democracy of our nation.
The Democratic Party needs to find itself and get back to it’s core values.
p.s. YAY!!!! OJ FINALLY GETS JUSTICE!!!!!!
(I know, but I just read about it, and had to celebrate)
Sparky and my other fellow PUMA’s,
Thank you for your compliment, it is a pleasure to be of service!
Have you noticed that most of the Trolls have dropped off. They are either waiting in a dark corner - waiting for an opportunity - probelm is they never seem to have a leg to stand on.
They attack and then retreat.
The more we find dirt on the “messiah” the more quite they are.
Just a thought. Pounce!
Sparky you’re right, I’m sorry about tormenting Roza. She’s so irritating at times, but I know it’s not her fault that she just doesn’t undertand stuff. Although, even you have to admit (maybe not outloud) that boemery’s post was dead-on LOL
As far as the voter fraud, the Acorn machine is like a bad horror flick. When you see how entrenched it already is in all the swing states, I’m afraid it’s been in place for so long that we won’t be able to much about it. The powers that be will sanitize it all, the way they did Obama’s past and the missing years, and nothing will come of it.
What scares me the most about the prospect of The One running our country is that he not only intends to place our country at risk by disarming our military, there is also a much greater chance of WWIII breaking out. I think that WasHRCnowPalin’s prediction of Isreal taking out Iran before January if He Who’s Name Must Not Be Spoken is elected is a real possibilty. And other power grabbing evil countries will feel free to attack our allies since there will no longer be a gatekeeper. There will be worldwide chaos, and our power in the world will be severly diminished. A very sad day for patriotic Americans like us.
Yes boemery - OJ was a bad boy. He probably shouldn’t have written that book - not cool - he just never knew when to shut up. His ego got the best of him in the end.
That is typically the fate o most egomaniacs - what comes up - eventually comes down.
I agree with you One4Justice - I have had horrible thoughts of him removing the Justices in the Supreme Court with his “people”. He’s already got the Democratic lead Congress and the media in his back pocket.
So if he’s in - he’ll have controll of all the branches - then what - start indoctinating his own laws.
There is a very disturbing article on some of his missing years. Obama’s mentor was an underground Communist in Hawaii. I was an eyeopener - it is all starting to make sense now.
Go to Google - type in the following:
obama communist frank ties hawaii
Check out the associated stories - beyond disturbing.
PUMA Pundit - you might want to check this out also and place this as another post. Keep up your valuable servcie to us!
What I needs to happen is that the BO information needs to get into the hands of the on-the-fence voters, and the MSM won’t let that happen, so what do we do? He’s got people so hypnotized, they need to be snapped back into reality. I think Palin bringing up his association with Ayers is important, not just because I don’t want him to win, but just for information dissemination, people need to know these things. These are SERIOUS ISSUES. I was talking with someone today, who has made those off-the-cuff baseless ignorant statements like “I can’t stand McCain’, and therefore will vote for BO. I asked her: “Would you vote for someone who was friends with Timothy McVeigh?’, she said ‘no’. I said, well, BO is FRIENDS (despite his repeated attempts to deny it) with a guy who not only bombed federal buildings, but said on the anniversary of the 9/11 bombings, ‘We didn’t do enough’. Well, people may not know who Ayers is/was, but they KNOW McVeigh, and he was a domestic terrorist, and so, the statement Palin made is in fact TRUE, that he pals around with terrorists. Well, for the hypnotized, he will explain it away, probably with some statement like ‘Oh that was a boneheaded thing to do’, and all will be well in their world again. The trail of crooks, churches, and craziness he leaves behind (and maybe not so much behind) in Chicago is crucial, and needs to come out. People need to wake up and learn the truth about him. ‘Words matter’, he said, and yet, he wants people to think that ‘God damn America’, and ‘We didn’t do enough’, shouldn’t matter to us. Nope, I heard them, they matter, and I’ll be showing on Nov. 4 just how much! God Bless America, and vote NOBAMA on Nov. 4!
Thank you Roza
Thanks Spark, but you don’t have to take up for me. I’m not affected it. My parents always taught me, when people are threatened by your character, they attack it. They don’t know anything about me as a person, so the accusations are…………a true testament to their true ignorance at best.
But to address boemery:
1. My mother, father, myself and a lot of other black friends and family thought O.J. got away with murder and spoke against it everytime it came up.
2. Earlier I posted (from my father);
“You know I think anytime I see young fellas standing up and saying Barack Obama inspires me, or Colin Powell inspires me, or Condoleeza Rice and Hillary Clinton inspire me, and not Young Jeezy or the girls in the videos inspire me, it’s a good day.”
So the whole talk of “Barack is a role model because he’s black” is your idea. Don’t group me with your other ignorant black friends.
I’ll give you the same advice I gave One4Justice: Before you attack me and my views you may want to go back and read older posts in which I have criticized Barack Obama on some valid points, and agreed with some things the opposition may say. When you do the opposite, you just make yourself look like a dumb ass. That’s the only reason Sparky or badlybehaved or other people may not group me with the “Obama trolls” because I’m exactly the opposite.
Also, don’t be sorry One4Justice, your posts do you more damage than they do me. I see why you would use a fake name and a fake picture. If I was as ignorant as you, I wouldn’t want anybody to know my true identity either.
~Roza
Your welcome globetrotter. It reminded me of the luggage brand.
Should’ve been “you’re”
roza
Its GlobeTrotter.
Like hitler, not Hitler. Or obama , not Obama.
Good one, GlobeTrotter!
See I stand to profit form WWIII.
So, as Clint Eastwood said, “Go ahead, make my day.”
I never thought of it that way before. Obama’s increased taxes will break my back, but my business will probably do well in a time of war, so I guess it will be an economic wash for me if he gets elected. Pity the rest of the population…..
Hi all, I’ve been reading the posts on this forum, but am a first time poster. I just want to say that I agree with WasHRCnowPalin about the video. It is very disturbing on many levels.
Funny, Globe Trotter.
It’s Roza, not roza.
OK Roza, do you understand how obama will set the stage for WWIII based on historical fact?
I understand that, that is your opinion. But if you are asking if I agree, I would have to say no.
Roza
Opinion has nothing to do with history and the axiom that history will repeat itself.
Look it up on Wikipedia (or read books on WWIII). Read the very real parallels with the world today with that of the 1930’s.
Who, by name, is comparing today’s economy with the great depression?
Appeasement WILL lead to nationalism and WWIII .
Show me that I am wrong with an historical reference.
Very good points indeed, GlobeTrotter.
meant to say books on WWII
Yes, and history does appear to be repeating itself. Very chilling.
Do you not see a resemblance between today’s economy and the great depression? That’s a serious question, not a cynical one.
WWIII has been in the works since we invaded Iraq. So, when people say that a candidate getting into office will “set the stage” for that war, I disagree.
World war II was a conflict between nations. As it stands, our relations with foreign nations have been dramatically tested. And believe it or not, many people abroad DO NOT have a favorable view of the United States at this time. We have tried the “if you don’t do what we say, we’re gonna blow you up” tactic,and it has only made countries more hostile, so we’ve got to try something else. Being the bully is going to turn nations further against us and prompt another war, not being humble.
Now I TOTALLY disagree with meeting with these leaders with no preconditions, but are we so arrogant a nation that we take that option completely off the table?
I hope not, because the only other option is to continue like we have, and will DEFINITELY mean a new war.
~Roza
Don’t even bother GlobeTrotter. She’s not gonna get it. How do you even start to respond to something like that? LOL
OMFG
My job takes me literally around this world many times a year to every continent except Antarctica! The world is damn glad that someone (the USA) is standing up to the radical extremist that would otherwise thrust us back to the stone age and put women in slave chains!
The simple test is to look at the lines. The line as to which Nation people want to enter. It’s the good old USA! The line is to get into here and not to leave it. Name ONE other country on this planet where that is the case! Please.
The world LOVES AMERICA!!!! I personally see it and live it. Your flawed opinion that the “world” hates America comes from CNN. Gezzzzz. Go see the world for yourself and think for yourself. Again, look at the line. Is it going into or out of America.
Wake the hell up!
I’m out of here.
BRAVO!!!
P.S.
Hillary would have stood up to those women hating bastards. obama and joe will embrace them.
DID I SAY THE WORLD HATES AMERICA!?! OF COURSE NOT!
What I said was that many people in many countries have an unfavorable view of the country because of our foreign relations the last few years. THAT IS A FACT.
So maybe what you should do is enlist in the military. Travel to places in military conflict, and places outside of business relations, and I can GUARANTEE you will feel different. Don’t “globe trott” in luxury, do real work, on the ground. Look at our involvement in those countries. And if you think after that, that the world view of America is not more negative because our foreign relations than it was 10 years ago, you either A. have a false sense of reality, or B. are blind and deaf.
As, someone who had to live outside of this country for 2 and 3 years at a time with my husband, I know better.
Not jet-setting. LIVE IT.
~Roza
World War II was based on World dominance. Germany was upset with the treaty put in place by France. It set the country in turmoil both morally and economically. Hitler saw this as a opportunity to exercise his goal on world dominance. He enlisted Japan and Italy with his plans.
The rest is history - or in other words - a continuation of history.
The outlines are almost identical.
WRONG AGAIN! Hillary was a staunch supporter of diplomacy FIRST.
In an interview January 18 this year she said
“Evaluating the situation before we jump right into it, yes. Talking without any pre-conditions, absolutely not. That is a dangerous mistake”.
That is EXACTLY what I said above.
~Roza
So Sparky, are you saying that Barack Obama aims for “World dominace”?
Well, it’s not “exactly” what you said, Roza. What you said was a Bidenism. You said you were totally against talking without preconditions, and then you said we were arrogant if we took that option off the table. In otherwords, you said two different things.
Just like you pulled a Bidenism when you said the rest of the world doesn’t like us, and then said that’s not what you said.
There you go again with that overanalyzing.
You’re funny though. You’re like that kid on the playground back in the day instigating the fights, or the cheerleader. The “ooooh” squad is what we used to call them.
~Roza
Yeah, and you’re like that kid in the corner with a dunce cap on. Dummies is what we used to call them.
Because I didn’t say the rest of the world doesn’t like us. I said:
“And believe it or not, many people abroad DO NOT have a favorable view of the United States at this time.”
You’ve GOTTA start reading the posts more.
~Roza
Typical anti American rhetoric.
I served 11 years in the military. Served in combat under Bush one and Clinton. Flew into the fog of war many times and survived. Survived while others didn’t.
This is how I obtained my aviation experience which allowed me to now fly in the civilian world.
I ACTUALLY see the world. Talk to the people all over it. I have fought for your freedom. I have had friends die for the very freedom that lets you posts your views.
Really, you have no concept of history, past or present. The world really LOVES AMERICA. You have fallen for the false views of the CNN propaganda machine.
Again, is the line into or out of America?
Again. Hillary NEVER spoke as you do. I NEVER doubted that Hillary LOVED this nation.
I feel like I’m teaching 3rd grade history.
Oh don’t go getting you feelings all hurt and lashing out at me! So reminiscent of that playground. I miss those days.
That was funny though. What qualifies me as a dummy? Because I don’t agree with you.
The difference is, you’re still that kid.
~Roza
Hillary never would have said that America has “tried the “if you don’t do what we say, we’re gonna blow you up” tactic,and it has only made countries more hostile, so we’ve got to try something else.” She would never have described the US as being the bully, that would “turn nations further against us and prompt another war, not being humble.” You’re a freaking socialist just like Obama. You never were a true Hillary supporter.
Boemery is right: “It’s so clear now from seeing Rozathegreat’s picture, that she is not only president of BHO’s fan club, she’s president of her own. I bet she has a Rozaopolis setup in her house, and her own coins and seal. Why must you toture us PUMA’s? Go play with L