Palin vs. Obama

This is excellent!

Exactly why Sarah, an all-American, smart, progressive women, over achiever, compassionate, principled is more qualified than the two clowns that the DNC put on the ticket..

Every person in America and abroad should see this…. it pulls back the curtain on the PATHETIC marketing man behind the curtain!

Go Sarah 2008!!! Hillary 2012!!!

can someone please explain this to me? seriously. sarah palin? you’ve got to be kidding me. there is NO way that anyone who supported HRC for even one day could possibly throw their political heart behind this joke. and then, just when it seemed as if it couldn’t get more ridiculous, someone posts this. who are you people? And just so you know, HRC is pro-choice, Palin requested more earmarks per capita than anyone else in the country, and she wasn’t opposed to that “bridge to nowhere” until it became a national point of ridicule and she still kept all of the money. Progessive?!? Really? She’s an old school evangelical who believes we can pray out homosexuals, believes that we are waging “god’s war”, and seems to have no problem whatsoever being paraded about as the “hot chick” and reading prepared statements. If you believe this is progress for women then you should trade in your vagina. christ…

Matt:
Being the best candidate should qualify you for the nomination but obviously it doesn’t if you are a woman. This site was not going to support the DNC’s chosen one before Palin was even on the ticket; Palin is making this fun..seems like McCain was willing to find a representative of 1/2 of the population to run on the Republican ticket; He is obviously a smart man. I do find it interesting that you would resort to telling people what they should do with their vaginae; Typical; and what of the male PUMAs? Just go home Matt.

please… when I was 18 and got to vote for a different Clinton I did so still somewhat cynically but half reassured because I liked that a candidate would finally present a marriage partner as an intellectual equal. I loved that HRC actively brought health care to the political forefront and passively brought a real discussion of gender issues that were laid dormant ever since the debates of the ERA. When it comes to making quips about what you and the rest of your ilk should do with your vaginas its done to make a point that if you really find your identity solely linked to having a vagina, then you are a fool to trust it with the likes of McCain and Palin. Giving even a protest vote to McCain legitimizes his (and his handlers’) decision to put a woman–any woman–on his ticket with the hopes that women will automatically vote for a woman–any woman. If you found the patronizing tone of the primaries agonizing, then I don’t know how you could tolerate this level of RNC condescension. And don’t give me this “best candidate” BS either. Having the right educational, familial, career, and financial resume gives you that chance in hell to win public office along with a willingness to comprimise and an abilty to raise a lot of money. Third party candidates and progressives are marginalized and often maligned and never get that chance. I don’t identify politically as a democrate and outside of ’92 and (reluctantly) ’04 I haven’t voted for them. But after 8 years of this ridiculous administration I choose the lesser of two evils. The DNC has decided upon a person that they believe will appeal to both young people in the states and everyone else worldwide and I don’t fault them for it. If you really believe in issues relating to women you cannot possibly vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.

I always thought that “women’s issues” meant more than one issue. That it meant being able to do all the things men do, if you want. Like a job that is traditionally male (e.g. Governor, or Vice President of the United States), or working even though you have children, an infant even (guys are never discredited for that—look at how Biden was made to be a Hero for being sworn into office at his sons’ hospital beds a week after their mother was killed, and proceeding to leave his young, motherless sons to commute to work 4 hours a day), equal pay for equal work, and playing basketball or hunting, if it interests me. When did “women’s issues” become synonymous with “agreeing that a woman has the right to have an abortion”?

It became synonymous when women started the fight of “doing all the things a man can do” i.e. make their own decisions. No, it’s not the only aspect of “womens rights” but it is a VERY important aspect.

If the government cannot control a rapist that impregnates a woman, they should not be able to control whether or not that woman (victim) terminates the resulting pregnancy.

It’s just that simple.

~Roza

Matt,

Any clear thinking person who has read this comparison between Palin and Obama would see that the qualifications are obviously in Palin’s favor….

… Sarah connects unlike Obama…. I’m serious… he is just a marketing campaign… he has no history of executive decision making, none, zip, nada. He cites as his experience as that of running a campaign… okay I’ll give him that… he runs a good campaign… that is called marketing and he does not have the same skills as running a business as does Sarah, running a city as does Sarah, running a state as does Sarah, running an energy policy for a state as does Sarah…

Maobama is a social worker better suited to help kids from west side story… he has a story to tell how he went from humble beginnings to get a degree from Harvard… I admire him for that really… but then his story turns ugly the way he dissed Alice Palmer, then Hillary, now Sarah…he is an unqualified opportunist sexist socialist who has no business pulling levers in the most powerful job in the world.

Let’s send him back to Chicago where he belongs.

Go Sarah 2008!!! Go Hillary 2012!!!

Hey WasHRCnowPalin, speaking of Obama’s humble beginnings to getting a degree from Harvard, have you been able to confirm/determine anything about the funding for his education? I’ve read a couple of different things….

Roza,

The stakes are high, very high, much higher than you can imagine and already women’s issues have been set back in this election…. stop and think…. look how those DNC creeps, Barack’s Uruks, have launched the most vicious attacks against a woman.. an intelligent, hard working, over achiever, who exhibits the best qualities of a woman,,, strength, determination, durability, compassion… and has by any measurement accomplishment so much in her life to date.

The whole world is watching the the women’s movement in America fall into hypocrisy as they turn on one of our own… this orchestrated by a man with a history of dissing women.. Alice, HIllary, Sarah… he is a PATHETIC excuse for a man…

.. and yet you defend him like he is a god who can do no wrong. Wake up Roza! Look at the damage that has ALREADY been done to women in this country just from Obama’s campaign… you are burying your head in the sand if you think that electing Obama will advance our cause… nay, nay, if he wins it will send a message around the world that women can be stepped on, slandered by their own, and that is what we as women in America value.

But it’s not Roza… don’d be duped any longer, don’t accept anything less than equal treatment and rise above yourself and step up when you see sexism happening… it’s happening now, it’s happening to Sarah, and all you can do is defend the perpetrators (or better yet.. perverse-traitors). Obama is not for you.. he is for your vote… if he were for you as a woman he would not allow his cronies to attack Sarah for those qualities of being a woman…he would not refer to her as a pig with lipstick… he would not parachute Uruks into Alaska to dig dirt, he would speak out without being prompted to smear attacks against Sarah Palin… but he won’t… because he can’t… he does not understand our issues, he does not care about our issues, he does not care about advancing women, and he only wants your vote.

That is why I am voting for Sarah on November 4th and John McCain the man who is man enough to pull a woman through that glass ceiling once and for all.

That is the real change we can believe in.. not those old DNC talking point bones. I spit those out now…

Go Sarah 2008!!! Hillary 2012!!!

Matt:
Yes I can & no we won’t . Haven’t you heard the Big O has given up on us and is back to courting Evangelicals in Ohio. I really have a hard time understanding why you would come here. I don’t have to justify my vote to you. Anymore than you need to justify yours to me. Your arrogance is truly stunning . Its like you are a two year old having a temper tantrum because I will vote differently than you. What country are you from? I want to keep this country a Democracy

Roza: Just a thought, I do know some women who for religious reasons or whatever have chosen to have the child of their rapist..Even if its not your cup of tea, maybe could you consider that when you and/or others acts like its the worst thing that could ever happen, the child didn’t do anything and neither did the mother.
The only way rape will stop is when men/boys are socialized to not think of women as their subservient ones. Truth: 1 out of three college boy/men admit that they would rape a woman if they knew they wouldn’t get caught. 38% of women of color are sexually assaulted yet only 1 in 15 ever reports it. Women are over 50% of the population, men are running things; as long as the imbalance of power continues nothing can change. The fear of being without a man to ‘protect’ them from other men is ironically, why many women stay in abusive relationships. The government can’t stop rape; only prosecute offenders and they can’t prosecute offenders if no one reports it..

By far, most children are abused in their own homes by someone they know. The most common history of sex offenders and rapists is being exposed to domestic violence…. How can the government stop what is going on in homes without at the same time invading our privacy?

Roza,

I’ll give you a real life example of what I was referring to…… this occured just yesterday at a Biden speech as reported by the NT TImes on their website. Think about the underlying implications for women’s position in society…

“The older woman who introduced him at a rally here called Mr. Biden’s Republican counterpart, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, a “bucket of fluff,” and he rewarded the woman as he took the microphone with an “I love you” and a gentle kiss on the head.”

Really now Roza… one woman characterizes an accomplished woman as a “bucket of fluff”… that is absolutely appalling and if that was not enough then this DNC elite rewards the appalling behavior with another condescending move… kissing the woman and telling her he loves her.

I’ll pause a moment while everyone throws up…….

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Okay, had to clean up myself too… now think about that Roza… chew on that for a change.

Because of the seriousness of the moment I’ll forego the usual rally cry……

as for my reasons for coming to this forum, I want to understand and see for myself the people who are supporting mccain and to see if its out of protest or actual support for him. Quite frankly I still can’t figure out what it is. On one side you direct both founded gripes (alice palmer, yeah, it was pretty dirty but it wasn’t because she was a woman, it was because its politics and, lets face it, our politicians can be opportunistic) and completely unfounded editorials (he’s a sexist pig who will tear down a woman at any opportunity) to bolster your notion that he shouldn’t get your vote because you’re pissed and your vote is the message to him and his followers.
Then you’ve got the other half that actually thinks McCain is a good choice because he picked a repub that few knew and had little strong public opinion (as opposed to Kay Bailey Hutchison which I had my money on as his pick). And then you’ve got a few idiots that drag out the worn out “socialist/marxist” label to try and further disuade one from voting Obama (although you should recognize that it was the progressives, socialists, and anarchists well over 100 years ago who came together as men and women to address the subjugation and objectification of women as well as acknowledge the inherent inequalities of traditional domestic divisions of labor).
Were/are you all middle-of-the-road republicans who thought it was novel to vote for HRC? What about her appealed to you? I was a HRC-primary season hold-out and I rolled my eyes at all of the fawning over BO. I was irritated with the sexism directed at HRC and I am still irritated with the Palin criticisms that question whether or not a mother with a new baby can be VP. There are plenty of criticisms to be levied against her but those that focus on her gender and traditional-role assumptions are sad and should be derided. I just don’t see what it is that a McCain/Palin ticket appeals to you. More unprovoked invasions of sovereign nations instead of an understanding that the US does not run the world? An energy policy who’s central foundation is spending the next 10 years drilling for oil and building all of its related infrastructure instead of seriously investing in sustainable energy? Privitizing anything and everything despite the fact that deregulation is partly responsible for preditory lending, exporting manufacturing jobs, astronomical health care costs… Please someone–anyone–tell me why you support this ticket after believing in HRC.
And one final point to badly behaved: as for my arrogance: I suffered fools long enough and quite frankly have little patience for it. You want to come to a forum and voice your opinion and thats fine–I’m mearly voicing mine. If you want to make tired and foolish statements about “wanting to keep this country a democracy” then I will aim my arrogance at you. We live in representational limited democracy where we have two partys to choose from and very little opportunity for a dissenting voice to be heard (save for the internet, but c’mon, how many millions of blogs and message boards are there). You don’t have to justify your vote to me but if you are going to get all piss-and-vinegar about issues I’m going to ask you clarify and defend yourself. I know the statistics–I majored in Women’s Studies too–and I also know that going along with an anti-women party is not going to help socialize boys to NOT objectify women. I also believe that this tired old second-wave feminism should be put to bed. It served a great purpose but the times have changed and evolved and we need to get past a sex organ as a sole marker for gender. Gender is a social construct and as long as you vote for a woman because she’s a woman, you are not going to see any improvements. Saying that Palin represents strong women is like saying all of the “reformed” gays have something relevant to the gay rights movement. Neither is that case. She is post-feminist in that she has transcended traditional roles without making it about gender and I applaud her for that. But she is being used as a carrot and I cannot support that and I don’t think you should either. Vote for whomever you wish, but when it all comes crashing down, I’ll still be there to offer any help, but its going to be riddled with I-told-you-so’s.

Matt,

PUMA is a group of diversity.. made up of men and women, democrats, independents, and republicans, most were Hillary supporters I believe, and are all over the political spectrum and even have diverse views on Obama…..

… we share one thing in common though… we are not going to vote for Obama… he is a opportunist.. do not generalize and say all politicians are opportunists… no we are specific about Obama… he steps on women to get to the next stage.. he forgets where he came from… he broke the rules of bringing others along when you break the glass ceiling… I do not pretend to speak for all PUMAs or all women but I speak for many here and out there who have no voice…. we and they know the things concerning Obama are true and any clear thinking person knows it too… so do you… as you have said… yet you turn a blind eye… you make excuses for the man’s behavior.. you want to put him in the White House… knowing what you already have acknowleged… that is reckless.

He is less qualifed than Sarah Palin…. after reviewing the base note of this thread it is so obvious…

matt, it really just comes down to whether you will cast a vote based on the solid qualifications of the McCain/Palin combination… or whether you will decide that it is in everybody’s interest to drink the kool-aid you have been drinking.

I’ll pass..

Go Sarah 2008!! Hillary 2012!!

I’m a life-long registered Democrat, a Hillary supporter. What about Palin appeals to me, you ask? Everything except for her position on abortion. And as far as that’s concerned:

1. I’m not a one issue voter;

2. She has not tried to push her views/change Alaska’s laws regarding abortion;

3. She cannot abolish abortions. Even if McCain died, and she were president, and a Supreme Court Justice retired/died, and she got to propose a replacement, the new Justice would have to be approved by the Senate, and after that would have to have another case come before the Supreme Court that would give the opportunity to overturn Roe v. Wade, and then would have to have enough of the other Justices joining in with the new Justice to overturn Roe v. Wade before it could be overturned, and then if it was overturned, the STATES would each individually decide the parameters of if/when someone could have an abortion.

So Sarah Palin’s opinions on abortion is relatively inconsequential, and any negative impact she could speculatively have is very clearly outweighed by the positive impact she definitely will have in breaking the glass ceiling and promoting women’s issues in every single aspect other than abortion.

Matt :
If you want to know how I feel about this goes to my post yesterday around 6PM, under Michelle tells Blacks to vote for Obama.
If nearly 97% of the black community is voting for O( a man black in shade of skin only) why would you have such a problem with women voting for a woman; That’s not necessarily why I am but I have no problem with having all the young girls growing up in this country seeing a woman in the VP spot, anymore than I have a problem with people of color wanting their children to see “someone like them” in a position of power.

Now Matt, I’m kind of a brat sometimes so I’m going to tell something else; I suspect that some guys take Women’s Studies Courses as a way to get chicks if you know what I mean. ” Hey, I a nice sensitive guy and understand your pain, not like those mean old rapists and seducers and wife beaters.” If you care about women, ask your Illinois Senator why he never ratified the ERA in Illinois. Then go out and confront the 1/3 of the college boys referred to earlier. There goes the invite to the frat house.

I also suspect that O is now paying boys to come here as Women’s studies majors because he can’t seem to find any qualified women.

As for reproductive rights, I might suggest that males “pleasuring themselves” be outlawed. Think of the billions of potential human being that die an agonizing death….

Matt,
you said: “The DNC has decided upon a person that they believe will appeal to both young people in the states and everyone else worldwide and I don’t fault them for it. If you really believe in issues relating to women you cannot possibly vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.”

I think you summed up part of the reason or PUMA – the DNC decided on the candidate, not the electorate, because of his “appeal”. They forgot to check on his real beliefs. He brings nothing to the table, and they are scrambling now to protect him against attacks on his dubious past and positions. As Hillary noted, he does give a pretty speech, but I want a little substance. You even called his early politics a little dirty, yet I should overlook that??? Why??

Palin represents a wonderful role model for women of all ages, and a fine example of what they can achieve, in the home, in a career, in the political arena. McCain has surrounded himself with strong women, and obviously has a deep respect for them. It is obvious both in his VP pick and his staff. He was promoting and taking women seriously before it was cool!

WasHRCnowPalin,

You are in serious need of a “chillpill”. Nothing about my post was about Obama, so how you equated THAT comment with defending Barack Obama is beyond me. Someone asked the question why the “abortion issue” was so important, and I responded. It was THAT SIMPLE. And I specifically said:

“No, it’s not the only aspect of “womens rights” but it is a VERY important aspect.”

This was a topic that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Barack Obama OR Sarah Palin, their names weren’t even mentioned. So no, I am not being duped, I am awake, and just incase YOU’VE been asleep for the last several decades, the damage was done to women long before this election.

So stop taking these comments WAAAAAAAAY out of context, and CHILL OUT! You are going to give yourself a heart attack or a nervous breakdown trying to beat the Sarah Palin Bible over peoples heads.

~Roza

P.S. I also saw your comment about the rude remarks against Sarah Palin by the lady introducing Joe Biden. Like I said before, THAT IS VERY IGNORANT, I DON’T AGREE WITH NOR CONDONE SUCH REMARKS, AND MOST OF ALL ITS OF POOR TASTE. About as poor as Elissabeth Hasselbeck’s cheap shot at Michelle Obama at the Cindy McCain luncheon. I don’t blame Barack Obama for that lady’s comments, and I don’t blame John McCain for Hasselbeck’s comments. And what did that have to do with my discussion of “abortion rights”.

Roza,

I used to take chillpills all the time… lots of them… the DNC fed them to me.. like those little pills they feed people in mental institutions.. designed to stupify you… but I caught on… I spit them out and escaped from the new warden.. Dr. Barwacko… I can see clearly now…

I take nothing out of context… Biden was rewarding the woman for attacking another woman.. with a kiss and an I love you….. PATHETIC! She was being used…. and so is every woman who follows Obama.. he just wants her vote… and for her to stay in her place..good little DNC woman eating their old bones.. while he strutts around like head rooster..

There is my chilled version Roza… you should see me get really cranked up… you might actually…

badlybehaved, you’re trying but I’m not going to take the bait but I hardly think anyone voting republican should be levying frat boy charges at anyone else. And for the record, my views on women were shaped by being raised by my public school teacher mom after my father passed away. And my strong opinions rose from watching the ’88 campaigns and the attacks on single motherhood by jackasses like Bush ’41 and Dan Quayle. And as for the masturbatory reference, I have no idea where that even came from. I’m guessing you were aiming that at someone else. And to everyone else, I still don’t see what you think McCain’s ticket is about other than you being happy a woman might become VP (Sarah Palin is no Geraldine Ferraro). And I can’t wait for young women around the world to see that and realize that all it takes is an invitation by a man, direction from a group of men and a pleasant enough appearance and you can do anything! GO SISTERS! Sorry morons, you are either GOP operatives or dumb as rocks. Remember who laughed off the “bitch” remark? Remember who said it wouldn’t do any good to “whine”? The ticket you are so much in favor of. Oh yeah, I also love that her 17 YO daughter thinks it wise to marry the dude who impregnated her. “its the right thing to do”. Well, I guess women are incubators/mothers first. I do suppose that goes along with the evangelical approach. Progress sure is a beautiful thing.

Matt:
Go to the One and tell him that when he goes back to Illinois in November, instead of being a slum lord he can work on the ERA in Illinois;

Then Matt go confront some of the college boys and enlighten them or better yet go invent birth control for dudes; Hey then you can risk your health in order to avoid pregnancy and the need for abortion.

No, Matt the billions of potential human beings was a bratty-funny or maybe I was implying that you are a jerk-off . Actually I’m glad you have both hands on the keyboard.

Where do you get the Idea that Bristol is any of your business..get a life.
You 1. didn’t read my other post 2. You don’t ever get to be a woman unless you have major surgery and hormones. 3. What is really scary is is that 14 year old girls might think you care.

Hey Ladies; don’t you love the guys who tell us we’re bad feminists.. Reminds me of the old bumper sticker “I’d rather be Ironing”

Angela(o) disappears and now we have Matt.

I don’t give a rats ass about any of your ISSUES. I’m voting my Issues. You are wasting time and O’s valuable assets

sorry badlybehaved but your post was just the same old same old. Your resorting to some pretty weak insults these days. Slum lord? I don’t think anyone ever even tried to insinuate that Obama was or is a slumlord. I should invent birth control? College boys? And exactly when did I say that I was a woman? Jesus, you are reaching my friend. I thought we were talking about how alleged democrats voting for a republican was either the honorable thing (your claim) or completely asinine (my assertation, unless you are all trolling republicans anyway)? This is ridiculous. I never said you were a bad feminist, I merely said that your assumptions about me were way off base. I appreciate a cynical approach but c’mon, these are some pretty sad comments. I As for Palin’s kid, quite frankly I don’t give a rat’s ass what SHE wants to do, my concern is that a decision was made for her for the sake of a campaign. I have not once made a claim against women, I’ve only asked why you and the rest of your ilk would go on and support a ticket that dragged a woman because they believe that women will support a women in politics regardless of the issues. Your candidate is a joke and considering the responses (read: McCain issued statements) I don’t believe anyone here EVER supported HRC. This is nothing more than a swift-boat style smear attempt on Obama. And one final thing, judging by your tone, I’m guessing that you’re about 19 and just left the home for college? My crew runs pretty fucking deep with strong women who teach college, run businesses, own feminst bookstores, play in bands, take care of children (their’s and other’s), and generally give a shit what happens to to women and everyone else in this and other countries. And guess what? They think this approach of your’s is a little misguided to say the least. Vote your issues all you want, I’d just like to hear one that actually pertains to the election.

ooooookay sister girl!

~Roza

Sarah Palin is a great example to women everywhere, but she’s bashed by the liberals as being against women’s rights due to her position on a single issue. That’s just wrong.

I came across an interesting blog that makes me feel even more strongly that it’s wrong to judge Sarah Palin due to that single issue. The forum was discussing Whoopi’s question to McCain on “The View” :

“She asked John McCain if she had to worry about being a slave.

Whoopi, who marches for abortion rights, needs to know some things.

America’s opinion of a slave in the 1800′s is exactly the same opinion America has of a fetus today. Some think it is a human being while others think it is property.

Lawmakers thought slavery was an evil yet allowed people to have the choice of owning them if they wanted.”

Obama Slum lord as opposed to The Lord

Page 1
Was there “Hope”
for the South Side of Chicago?
CHICAGO – The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama
represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government
for people who can’t afford to live anywhere else. But it’s not safe to live here.
About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed
roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into
kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale – a
score so bad the buildings now face demolition. As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential
nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he
pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to
create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year.
But a Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago that had been built with local, state,
and federal subsidies – including several hundred in Obama’s former district – deteriorated so completely that
they were no longer habitable. Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and
managed by Obama’s close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies
even as many of Obama’s constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were
blighted.. Many of the tenants have been his constituents for more than a decade.
“No one should have to live like this, and no one did anything about it,” said Cynthia Ashley, who has lived at
Grove Parc since 1994. The campaign did not respond to questions about whether Obama was aware of the
problems with buildings in his district during his time as a state senator, nor did it comment on the roles played
by people connected to the senator.”
“Grim Proving Ground for Obama’s Housing Policy”” by B. Appelbaum The Boston Globe, June 27, 2008
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy

Slum Lord, Grove Parc, Chicago, if you look hard enough you can find a video.
As for who I am you’ll have to go back and read some of the older posts. I tell you that not because I think I have to give you my credentials but you just might go from someone who apparently knows everything to someone who might look a little closer at the Messiah. Then you can go and educate your crew.

Wow. I didn’t even have to look hard for the video. That’s appauling. That guy has no shame. He doesn’t walk his talk at all, not with supporting the advancement of women, and not with helping the less fortunate. What a phony hypocrite. I am so disgusted.

nice try dipshit, but the key to being a slumlord is to OWN the buildings that are in question. This is hardly a smoking gun. He, like many other market-enthusiasts in this country, believed that after the remarkable failings of Chicago Public Housing perhaps privitization along with federal subsidies would be the better way to go. Richard Daley also supported this and unfortunately, what Richard Daley wants in Chicago, Richard Daley gets. Do I support this? Not for one second. But once again, if you want to talk about whether Obama or McCain is a better choice, the republicans have a absolute fetish for privatization. And for the umteenth time, while there is certainly a celebrity anointing of Obama, not everyone who supports him does so without conditions. I believe that a democrat in the WH would be a better outcome than having a republican. Lets be honest here, is there really that much of a difference between the stances that Obama and Clinton promoted? Not much. They’re both heading towards the center (unfortunately). Specifics during a campaign should be taken lightly because everyone knows that getting those promises through unedited is not likely (see health care reform ’92, “don’t ask don’t tell, Defense of Marriage act…). They both believe that we need to address our energy policy, our foreign policy, immigration, “no child left behind”, the mess in Iraq, etc. and they are for the most part, seeing relatively eye to eye. You want to put someone in there who is nowhere close to agreeing with those policies you once stood behind. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face… Discussing the subtle differences between democrats can be a fun dinner conversation sure, but when compared to the whole, its like taking sides between coke or pepsi. Cola is cola.

If you profit off a slum without actually owning it, isn’t that just as bad as owning it? An owner is called a “slum landlord.” What do you call someone who profits off the slum without actually owning it?

He doesn’t own it so he doesn’t profit off it. The criticism should be that he favored developers who reneged on their responsibilities after they received payment. Obama might say that he felt that private management would be more effective than federal or state management (again, CHA’s housing projects certainly help make the case that the feds don’t always do a great job). I think it is fair criticism to say that is ridiculously naive. Whether its Haliburton or Rezko’s operation, I won’t excuse politicians for giving in to the “have’s”. This level of privitization, however, is exactly what the GOP has been pushing ever since Reagan. Criticize Obama all you want for this lapse in judgement, but expect even more if your team were to win the WH. And for the record, this is not just an Obama critique–the 1990′s were riddled with plenty of dubious relationships in the Clinton WH too (although W’s administration has really raised the bar in this respect during their tenure). You try to present an instance here or there to tarnish Obama’s reputation in effort to get me to see him for what he is: a human being. Unfortunately I never said this guy was a deity. I didn’t think HRC was the be-all end-all either but she got my Super Tuesday vote (I live in Chicago). I favored Hill but got Obama. But all along I said I’d be happy either way.
And one other question: why is it that baseless charges of sexism run rampant when looking at Obama when no one looks to McCain’s past? Talk about frat guys…

Mattt – you can express your views – but leave the swearing elsewhere. The next time the moderator will have you banned from this page.

A person who owns a slum is called a slumlord. The key to being a slumlord is to OWN the buildings that are in question. What do you call a person who profits off a slum, but doesn’t own it?

If Obama passes legislation that helps his slumlord friend make a lot of money from a slum, and the slumlord friend then gives Obama some of that money, isn’t Obama profiting from the slum? If Obama is not a slumlord, what do you call him in that situation?

sorry about the swearing. I figured there were enought racially loaded statements floating around here that no one would notice …
One4Justice: what is so hard to understand? The only “profit” he might possibly see is in the form of campaign donations. Usually that type of behavior is found amongst lobbyists. Go and ask John McCain’s campaign staff about that one, I’m sure they could clarify it a bit better than myself as lobbying is their job.

Matt – interesting viewpoint. You ask One4Justice “what is so hard to understand”, perhaps we are asking you the same thing. You see that is what so great about opinions – they are our own, and no one can take that away.

A question to ask you, does Obama’s questionable associates concern you and if not – why?

so many lies…and I was accused, earlier on this site, of reading too much into mainstream media?! Ridiculous little smear email…you produced

Yes jamakers – so many lies – keep drinking the kool-aid.

Badlybehaved,

It’s obvious that you are missing me. But unfortunately (or fortunately) for you, I am extremely busy this week. Don’t worry, I will be back as soon as my personal life allows me to.

Take your time Angelo – you won’t be missed.

Sparky,

The next time either one of you all calls me Angelo, you will be getting a very clear message that enough is enough. Consider yourselves warned.

Matt,

You wrote, “And then you’ve got a few idiots that drag out the worn out “socialist/marxist” label to try and further disuade one from voting Obama (although you should recognize that it was the progressives, socialists, and anarchists well over 100 years ago who came together as men and women to address the subjugation and objectification of women as well as acknowledge the inherent inequalities of traditional domestic divisions of labor).”

Yes, this is true, but it’s irrelevant to your argument. You’re claiming that calling Obama a “socialist” or “Marxist” is a “worn-out” accusation only made by “idiots,” but then your response to that is essentially, “Well, socialism isn’t so bad because it helped out you lady folks one hundred years ago.” Gee, I guess that makes up for all the other ways in which it’s totalitarian.

Back to the point, how does your response show that he’s not a socialist? Or do you just not care? Because, believe it or not, some people do care.

Do you recognize that many of the suffragettes on the forefront of the woman’s rights movement during the Progressive Era were pro-life? I’m sure you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood and an early activist of the birth control pill, Margaret Sanger, was an advocate of eugenics. Not that any of this matters, but if we’re going to ignore Obama’s Marxist leanings because of some good stuff that Marxists did 100 years ago, then let’s consider all the people in the history of women’s rights – the good and the bad. Why should people who lived so long ago dictate our sympathies? I’m sure you didn’t mean to make this argument. You just like socialism and that’s fine. Please don’t tell us, though, that we have to pay some allegiance to it because we benefited somewhat indirectly.

“Vote for whomever you wish, but when it all comes crashing down, I’ll still be there to offer any help, but its going to be riddled with I-told-you-so’s.”

See, this is the arrogance the PUMAs loathe with a passion. Arguments are fine. Criticisms work, too. But seriously, we don’t need your “I-told-you-sos.” We’re all intelligent and thoughtful on these boards. We don’t enter into decisions lightly. We all have our reasons. I think many of us realize that by picking Obama, McCain or a third-party candidate, we’re compromising. We’re accepting that we won’t get exactly what we want. So, for those PUMAs who will be casting their ballots for John McCain, understand that they know better than you do what they’re giving up and what they’re getting back. They don’t need your help, your condolences or your condescension.

Sparky:
Will you please stop calling Mangela Angelo?

badlybehaved, you think you’re funny? Well, you’re not.

Oh, Matt, you recite the mantra of the far left. On abortion, Palin sounded clear to me, she said “personally,” meaning it is her “personal” feeling. And, yes, with Gibson she said she would like to see Roe V. Wade overturned and returned to the States. As a woman, I don’t have a problem with this and can’t think of a state likely to “outlaw” abortion. Regardless, Roe V. Wade is not likely to be overturned anytime soon, and really this is not a one issue election. This election is a battle of ideologies. The question for voters is do we want to live in a socialistic society or do we want to retain what our forefathers created.

On keeping the money for the “bridge to nowhere”: Every state in the Union receives money for infrastructure; the money was allocated to Alaska for infrastructure and the Gov. surely found better ways to spend it, i.e. a better fairy system for the small populated island that wanted the bridge in the first place.

Further, Matt, on gay and lesbian issues, you’ve got it all wrong. What Govenor of Alaska supported benefits for Gays and Lesbians working for the state? Could it be, Palin? Yes. This evangelical stuff just pissess me off. My grandmother is a proud Methodist Republican Woman and she supports my choices. Somehow, Palin doesn’t scare me with concern to my right to love whomever I love. I think she would respect my choices too and her actions show it.

Obama’s actions and or inaction concerns me. This is a man who hardly votes on anything. who makes no decisions. Could it be he’s done this as a calculated move to protect him from judgement. Go look at his U.S. Senate voting record; the man hardly votes. This is not a leader.

Palin has made decisions, and at least she believes in something. I don’t know what Obama’s “hope” is or what his “change” is. I’ve heard his speeches about all that he is going to do for us, but I have no idea how he is going to pay for it. He will have to tax us to death. And government will grow and grow and grow. Look at how much it might grow this week. This bailout is a perfect set up for a socialist if we don’t have the right safeguards.

Terrifying!!!

janedoe101,

you said “a better fairy system”… I think you must be thinking about the system that the DNC elite use to nominate presidential candidates… consulting fairies…

Sarah on the other hand put in a better ferry system.

<(B^D <— how do you like my Sarah Palin welcome smiley?

Go Sarah 2008!!! Hillary 2012!!!