The Chosen One’s “Pig and Fish” Comments…
September 10, 2008 by PUMA Pundit
I am not the least bit surprised that Obama has descended to a new low (as if such a depth actually existed) and outright called Sarah Palin a swine and a fish all during the course of one speech.
It is the same B. Hussein Obama afterall who calls women “Sweetie”, in discussions with women talks about the fact that the bulge in his pants (at that given moment) is not his penis but his cell phone, and has no qualms whatsoever in giving Hillary the finger on national television.
Culturally, it seems Obama is as far removed from mainstream America as can be. His actions in politics remind me of Pedro having his supporters beat a Piñata Effigy of Summer in Napoleon Dynamite, or the kind of stuff you read about third world politics.
I mean, what kind of degenerate would during the course of one campaign give one of his female opponents the finger, and call another one a swine (and an old fish for added measure)? Maybe that’s how things are done in Indonesia, Pakistan or some of the other more exotic places Obama has lived, but it is definitely not the way things are done in America.
The sad thing is that his Berserkers would find a way to justify these actions on his part, they’ll find a way to make it seem like he is innocent, and attempt to hoodwink the rest of us into thinking that it is all a big misunderstanding. Folks, he isn’t and it isn’t.
For those who have forgotten, here is the video of Obama giving Hillary the finger:
Obama is talking critically about Hillary, and the kind of distasteful gotcha politics that occur in Washington. And then he says, “That’s all right. Sen. Clinton looked in her element.” As he does this, he raises his right hand to scratch his cheek with his middle finger.
Of course other than the finger, here are a few more examples of Obama’s blatant sexism aimed at Hillary:
- “She’s got the kitchen sink flying, and the china flying, and the, you know, the buffet is coming at me.” — April 20
- “You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out.” — February, Tulane University
- “I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal.” — February
and then yesterday we have this gem of Obama calling Palin both a fish and a pig:
“You can put lipstick on a pig,” he said as the crowd cheered. “It’s still a pig.”
“You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still gonna stink.”
“We’ve had enough of the same old thing.”
Now, the lipstick allusion is clear to anybody who has paid attention to this race, after all, it was Sarah Palin who famously said that the difference between a hockey mom and a pit-bull is lipstick, but what everyone seems to miss is the “fish” jab he lobbed at Palin.
Any man over the age of 13 knows exactly what the allusion is when a woman is referred to as an “old fish” who “stinks”, if you don’t, then simply google “woman fish smell” and you’ll get your answer. Such antics are common place in the grade-school playground, but not in a Presidential election.
Thankfully, Team McCain is on the ball and released the following two ads. First one is called Lipstick:
and the second one is called Factcheck
Obama, shame on you. I hope people will common sense realize what a phony you are and not vote for you on election day.
Posted by AD76
And don’t forget the Sarah-Barracuda=Fish connection.
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Guest (Obama Kool-aid drinker)
Stop spamming these boards.. you are cluttering up meaningful dialogue.
As I watched Obama flip the finger to Hillary on national TV I once again was reminded at how utterly detestable this man’s attitude is concerning women.
Now he struts around like a bad Improv comedian who won’t get off the stage though the crowd hisses and boos at his PATHETIC jokes.
Any clear thinking person recognizes the insult for what it was: “John McCain you can bring this self-described female pit-bull with lipstick onto the election stage and claim change but (wink wink, hyuk, hyuk) we all know that a PIG with LIPSTICK is still a PIG” (snicker, snicker)
Then he has the audacity to whine when he is called on it and tries to convince all of us that he was talking about the issues!!!
He really thinks women are clueless and apparently those whom he surrounds himself with… are!!
Don’t forget WasHRCnowPalin his comment about the smelly fish.
Stick a fork in him - he’s done!
Now he’s crying foul and accusing McCain of swiftboating! Obama is a man who carefully and deliberately chooses his words for the maximum impact. He knew exactly what he was doing. Typical passive/agressive behavior.
One of my favorite quotes this election cycle was from James Carville: “If Hillary gave Obama one of her cajones, they’d both have two.” Can you truly imagine this overstuffed peacock standing up to one of the world’s bullies?
FlaLady: Thanks for the giggle.
I was in DC fighting for your right to have your vote count. Were you?
He guys all the spamming going on might be partly because I guess you can’t post there( O’s site)..but they do have talking points that can be cut and pasted..I think maybe some aren’t even reading what they post .
Does anybody know anything about Abba Way…it’s on Senator Obama’s website.
Thanks for blocking Guest is Ga Peach next?….I’m not big on blocking but when we can’t carry on a dialoge with each other it’s too much.
hello pot meet kettle
interestingly enough bb i tried carrying on dialogue with you last night. i see you are still pointing blame on the wrong party. did i get a response about how the other 48 states with repubs in the state legislature got the date for the dnc primary right?
here is a recap:
isn’t it ironic that you want to punish the dnc for something that the republicans in florida and michigan did? but the repubs take no responsiblity from the die hard hillary voters that the repubs disenfranchised florida and michigan voters. and i guessed you missed the part where both hillary and obama agreed and signed a pledge that florida and michigan votes wouldn’t count. so before hillary agreed to this pledge, why didn’t hillary fight against the disenfranchisement of florida and michigan voters? do you think the republicans are enjoying and profiting from the distension of the dnc due to repub actions?
yes it seemed to have fallen on deaf ears all around. florida and michigan are not the only states with repubs in the state legislature. but the other 48 states worked out what day dnc primaries would be held without any penalties. so what happened in florida and michigan? don’t you think something was up with the repubs in florida and michigan?
It appears that he Republican party moved their date up to push some of their agendas through. In the end, it was both the MI and FL DNC that made the final decision (not the RNC they don’t make decisions for another party) for the early voting.
HIllary was smart enough to keep her name in there. Obama was not. After he pretty much “screwed her” on what votes she received - he basically went after half of them and eventually took all of them.
Chicago politics at it’s dirtiest/best.
Peach - you need to get over it - he stole the votes - it is so blatant it is practically hitting you in the face.
spark beware…you are going to have to read. lets take this slowly.
there are dems and repubs on the state level and the federal level. on the state level, the state legislature decides what day the dnc and rnc primaries will take place. 48 states worked this date out effectively amongst the dems and repubs in the state legislature however 2 states didn’t. why is that? the repubs status message to dems is LMAO.
In August of 2006, the Democratic National Committee adopted a proposal by its Rules and Bylaws Committee that only four states: Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina would be permitted to hold primaries or caucuses before February 5, 2008. In the spring of 2007, the Florida legislature passed by House Bill 537 which moved the date of the state’s Republican and Democratic primaries to January 29th, a week before the earliest permitted date of both parties. The Democratic Party of Florida tried to amend the legislation and make the date February 5th. THE REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE REFUSED.
In response, the Democratic Party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee voted on August 25, 2007 that Florida was in violation of its rules, and gave the state 30 days’ notice to change the date of its primary. As Florida did not respond, the Committee stripped Florida of its delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention. ON AUGUST 31, OFFICIALS FROM THE FOUR APPROVED EARLY-VOTING STATES ASKED ALL THE CANDIDATES TO PLEDGE NOT TO CAMPAIGN OR PARTICIPATE IN FLORIDA, AND ALL THE MAJOR CANDIDATES SIGNED THE PLEDGE. Despite the pledge, the major candidates remained on the ballot, as Florida rules do not allow candidates to remove their names without withdrawing completely from the general election.
Michigan legislators passed a bill to move the state primaries date to January 15 in an effort to increase the state’s influence in the presidential candidate nominating process. They argued that the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary unfairly dominated the selection process. JUST AS IN FLORIDA, THE MOVE-UP BILL ORIGINATED IN A REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED SENATE AND PASSED BY A 21-TO-17 STRAIGHT PARTY-LINE VOTE — WITH EVERY DEMOCRAT CASTING A NO VOTE.
GAPeach - does this change the fact that Hillary won the majority of the votes in Floriday and that she was forced to give them to Obama.
It is what it is.
I will place a bet to you that McCain wins Florida and may or may not (probably not) will get Michigan. I’m originally from Michigan and the Union is to strong in that state.
Obama will not win Florida - mark my words. I’m half hispanic and they won’t vote for him.
Another thing missed about The Obamassiah’s rally speech is that a portion of it (the bit just before the lipstick/pig comment) appears to have been lifted from another source.
Obama spoke on the 9th. Check out the Tom Toles political cartoon in the Washington Post from September 5th…FOUR DAYS BEFORE OBAMA SPOKE in Lebanon, VA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_main.html?name=Toles&date=09052008
Seems rather Biden-like in the area of “borrowing” from other sources without attribution. Though Biden borrowed from sources more substantial than a SINGLE PANEL CARTOON.
Hillary’s response regarding the “pig and lipstick” statement (this is probably after Obama shoved her on the stage and told her to stand by him for the good of the “party”):
“Barack has made this clear,” she said responding to a question about the lipstick remark, which Republicans have condemned as a “disgraceful” and “sexist” attack on Palin. “It was no way meant as an affront.”
During the press conference, which addressed equal pay for women, Clinton added that “Republicans need to lift up the dialogue” and blamed McCain’s campaign for trying to “divert attention away from challenges facing Americans.”
But, even given the opportunity through repeated questions from reporters, the woman who won “18 million cracks in the glass ceiling” continued to refuse to attack or criticize Palin.
Asked about Palin and her candidacy, Clinton responded only that the campaign should be about the issues. “What I see as critical in this election … are the differences over issues.” She added, “What happens in people’s lives is what really counts… That’s what it should be about.”
Clinton and fellow Democratic Sen. Tom Harkin held the press conference to discuss the findings of a new GAO report on the enforcement of anti-discrimination laws. When asked if Clinton was disappointed that Palin had not raised equal pay issues on the campaign trail, she directed her fire at McCain. Clinton said it is assumed that the VP nominee is in sync with the presidential candidate’s views, reminding reporters John McCain voted against it. “McCain is at the top of the ticket,” she said. “And we know where he stands on equal pay.”
This guy’s response was briliant:
Governor Palin’s very recent lipstick-pit bull joke not only had 40 million viewers, but received much news comment later. In addition, Obama referred to Palin by name right after the “pig with lipstick” remark, and right before his rather unfortunate reference to smelly fish.
Taken in context, a fair reading of the remarks clearly indicates that Obama was engaging in a calculated bit of double entendre to take a swipe at his vice presidential rival. After all, Barack Obama is a former law review editor and a wordsmith by profession. Educated persons employ literary and cultural allusions all the time, particularly in politics.
And, of course, stump speeches are proofed and vetted.
Certainly, the crowd he was addressing had no doubt about what he meant.
Add this gaff to Obama’s reference to Hillary’s “periodic” emotional outbursts, and his serial use of the word “sweetie” to address female strangers—in one well known video, using that sexist phrase as a brush-off to a female reporter, then swaggering off amid he laughter of his male factory escorts.
Funny you should mention the Obama –middle finger incident.
Well, how about the primary speech where Obama delighted his supporters by symbolically brushing Hillary off of his shoulders, thereby alluding to the Jay-z song with the lyrics “got 99 problems but a b**** ain’t one”.
Barack Obama is a misogynist ass.
Posted by: Stephen Gianelli | September 09, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Follow the link to see Obama’s “Finger to Hillary” and recent “Pig on a Lipstick video” and other tid-bits. This really displays Obama’s lack of character. He is now crying foul but has no issues with the “wolves” that he sent against Palen.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/lest-we-forget-obama-flipped-off-hillary
I hope people in the “battle-ground” states are listening and reading.
We got to stop this guy.
badlybehaved:
Not able to make DC. Gov. Palin and I have a lot in common: working mom of five, two of whom are adopted special needs children. The media haven’t learned we come in all sizes, shapes, ages, colors, income groups. We, as women, have a lot at stake here in this election. I have been enthusiastically watching and cheering, but getting sicker and sicker seeing and listening to all of the misogynistic garbage being put out there as political commentary! Hillary was put through the wringer and now they’ve started on Sarah. And not just in the blogs or MSM. The late night hosts are jumping in with both feet to try to sway the general public through ‘humor’. I swear, do they not realize half the population is female??? And there are many men who are offended, as well. Maybe we will have to hit them in their ratings, like Olbermann and Matthews learned the hard way. (Gotta admit: too little, too late, but oh! Is revenge sweet.)
this is too good to be true…
mccain used the same lipstick on a pig line when talking about hillary. there is live video of it.
look for “When McCain Indirectly Called Hillary a Lipsticked Pig, Well That Was Okay”
GAPEACH,
Of course it was directed at Palin. Obama has also used the line before - that’s why it’s called an ol’ saying, but after Palin’s pitbull-lipstick joke, his use of it took on a new meaning. He KNEW it, and his audience “got it” too. Now he has sent 30 lawyers to Alaska to dig up what they can on her - must be personal stuff since her experience as Mayor and Governor would be public record - something I could get off the internet - this must be what he meant by “change” - one of the slimiest campaigns we’ve ever seen.
Much as I hate to wind you up about this again, you need to tell me how the Republicans forced Florida Dems to move up their primaries- the best I could see was that when the bill was voted on (with no amendment) there was only one nay vote - on all 4 versions. The Republicans knew they were going to lose half their delegates too, but decided it was worth it for the attention they would receive from candidates - the objective of both parties. It was a bad deal for the citizens of Florida, who ended up with no say, but the Dems were as much at fault as anyone. They rolled the dice and they lost. The worst came when the NATIONAL Dems made the candidates agree not to campaign there. That is when the citizens lost everything. The DNC decided it was fair to disenfranchise the people of Florida.
You are exactly what The Democratic Party hopes we are. They believe no matter how much they disregard our views and wishes, we will continue to pull the lever for them and they will continue to use their power for themselves and the rest of the “Good Ol’ Boys”. I for one, have HAD it. To use Obama’s word, ENOUGH!!
mbander,
don’t know what you are talking about. i’m talking about a video that is out of mccain calling hillary a pig with lipstick. if you look up “mccain sexist comments” you will SEE and HEAR it.
mbander,
i have no idea how the republicans in florida and michigan were able to change the date. but you have to wonder…if they knew they would lose those delegates, what did they also have to gain? perhaps dissension among the democratic voters? no time that i know of has it ever happened that a states delegates didn’t get counted during the primaries. correct me if i’m wrong.
mbander - great reply unfortunately you can not rationalize with the irrational.
RottenPeach is so far over the edge that all she see are bright lights when ever the messiah’s name is brought up. Funny how she never discusses what The Chosen’s one’s acheivements have been other than he graduated and was able to be a “part-time” professor.
At most schools, the term for the job Obama had is called “adjunct professor,” or sometimes “visiting assistant professor” or “clinical professor.” In one sense people with these jobs are law professors—in the sense that they profess the law. It is also true that students in the class call them “professor.” Doubtless Obama’s students called him “Professor Obama.”
But on the other hand, an adjunct is not a full-time professor, though he or she might have been so once. Nor has the adjunct or visiting assistant professor or clinical professor gone through the exact same filters required to be a “tenure-track” professor. Yet they do go through some important filters. You can’t make a ham sandwich into a law professor.
He then became a senator through dirty Chicgo style politics - got rid of the competition through technicalities and was the only one left standing to vote for.
Can’t come up with any of his major achievements can you? Beside community organizer - cause you know that was what Jesus was…..you guys took that stupid, ignorant phrase off someone’s blog response and have been using it since - beyond ignorant - then again all of you Obamamaniacs are just a project of your environment.
Stupid is as stupid does….
GAPEACH, I am aware of the video. Everyone has used the expression. I am just saying, it has a different meaning now. While I don’t think it probably deserves the attention it is getting, Obama, used it deliberately, and it got him the reaction he wanted. If anything, it was childish and unpresidential, but no less than we have come to expect. One has to wonder why he now running against Palin - last I heard she was the candidate for VP. But really, this is the LEAST of his problems. If someone had sent 30 people to investigate his PUBLIC life at the beginning of this election period, PUMA wouldn’t even exist. He could not survive any scrutiny of his past.
I think you are wasting your energy to blame the Florida/Michigan thing on the Republicans. It is hard for the Dems to argue that they wanted it changed when in Florida only one representative voted against the final bill. The DNC had a lot more to do with it than the Republicans. I don’t think the Republicans had any underlying motive, other than they wanted the early attention and decided that they would give up half their delegates to get it.
GAPEACH,
Also I believe you are correct that this has never happened. You would hope that the bigwigs in this party, at state and national level could have worked this out better so that the people in Florida could have had a legitimate voice. They had no say in it, and they were supposed to be the ones that mattered.
moderator…i don’t understand what the hold up is on the post. are you policing my comments now?
mbander,
i really do appreciate our exchanges with each other. you are a person that does your homework to come to your OWN conclusion whether i agree with it or not. i agree with you that focusing on palin is a HUGE distraction. i think her true colors will unfold. i was just watching the first part of her interview on abc news and she said the the only countries she has visited is germany, canada, and mexico and that she has never meet with a foreign official.
what i don’t get is why that statement means something different when mccain said it vs when obama said it? even elizabeth on the view said she thinks it got blown out of proportion.
also, i’ve been asking this all day and no one can give me an answer? maybe you can. why did the republicans call hillary a socialist?
hmmm…i don’t know about that whole obama sending people to alaska bit. i’m looking to see if that is an actual fact. but mccain did send people to alaska right after he nominated her.
Ok. I just saw this topic, so I’d like to weigh in. This was mentioned in an earlier comment:
“John McCain you can bring this self-described female pit-bull with lipstick onto the election stage and claim change but (wink wink, hyuk, hyuk) we all know that a PIG with LIPSTICK is still a PIG” (snicker, snicker)”
Ok, first of all that is not the quote. That is not what he said AT ALL. He was referencing John McCain’s plans for reform in Washington that had NOTHING to do with Sarah Palin. Secondly, people this is an OLD SAYING. Since when did we as Americans (and women for that matter) get so darn sensitive!!! Come on!!!
As we’ve all heard, John McCain used this metaphor in reference to Hillary Clinton’s proposed healthcare plan AND Barack Obama used it about 1 1/2 ago in reference to George Bush’s response to a plan in Iraq given by Gen. Patreaus. Not to mention when he used it then, it was before anybody was even thinking about Sarah Palin as a national politician.
So lets cut the crap people! There ARE troubling things said by the candidates…….THIS ain’t one of em’!
~Roza
Roza,
The Obama camp is trying to generalize his sexist comments… make them look like something everybody does. But here is the truth…
Obama engages in nuance theatrics.. he is a gifted speaker.. and he weighs his thoughts carefully. Now the pig with lipstick phrase is used frequently to refer to dressing things up without changing the underlying fundamentals. When John McCain said it he specifically called out “the proposal” from Hillary…. and furthermore there was no way to tie his comments to Hillary’s person by something she said… there was nothing that would lead anybody to draw even an inference that McCain meant Hillary was a pig with lipstick.
Now Obama’s case is different because Sarah Palin likened herself to a pitbull with lipstick a few days earlier… the animal, a pitbull, was representative of the PERSON of Sarah Palin by her own characterization… she even pointed to herself (her lips) when she said it. The media picked up on it and gave it airtime.. a lot of airtime. Then Obama being pretty miffed at this point about her getting all the attention and him little to none tries to recover the stage by using this current popular idea of Sarah as an animal with lipstick in the form of nuance… he changes the animal from a pitbull to a pig.
He knew it… his audience in the room knew it…. the media knew it…. and so did clear thinking people who have been following the course of events.
I think you got it too… you just prefer to defend his sexist behavior and make excuses for it. You do yourself nor women any favors when you follow him around and sweep up after him.
Go Sarah 2008!!!
Clear thinking people got it? No, petty people, looking for a reason to make a fuss dreamed it up. I mean Elissabeth Hasselbeck of all people who HATES Obama said it:
“He wasn’t referencing Sarah, people just want to make it look that way. There so many other things we can talk about, lets just move on”,
Just like Sarah Palin said “when I hear a woman talking about the way she is treated in the media, with any perceived whine, I say, God that doesn’t really help us much.”
So don’t give me the crap about I’m defending his sexist behavior and I’m not doing myself or women any favors. I’m strong enough that I don’t really need to “follow him around and sweep up after” anybody’s comments. I’m just giving you the reality. It actually really pisses me off when I hear other women complaining about things like that. I heard a woman on the news yesterday saying
“I thought Sarah Palin was going to bring a good dynamic to this race, but now its like no one can say anything even related to women in the media because it is perceived as a shot at her. I think the media coverage of her and things they think people are saying about her are overshadowing the importance of the REAL issues women face.”
Lets get back to the politics people. I hate to say it but this is EXACTLY why alot of people don’t want women or minorities in big races because you have to tip-toe around everything you say. This is A BIG BOY’S GAME and if you want to inject yourself into it, you’ve got to be able to take it, give it, and handle it like the BIG BOY’S DO!
And people that say she has not become a distraction (or the media coverage of her) you are not being honest with yourself. And if you can honestly say she is not, why weren’t you people making a big fuss when Obamamade the comment in reference to George Bush’s policies……before he was the nominee and before Sarah Palin was even mentioned as the VP pick?
Dreamed up Roza?
You like this stuff?
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/10/palin_feminism/
Barack and his Uruks are PATHETIC!!!
Of course not! That’s just stupid. Just because a group of dummies right a sexists article doesn’t mean EVERY comment made about Sarah Palin is sexist. The Pig and Fish comment being the casing point.
And yes DREAMED UP! WAKE UP and stop making women look petty and ultra-sensitive.
~Roza
Petty? Ultra-sensitive? We are talking about Salon here!
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/10/palin_feminism/
Tell me Roza… if you substitued the sexist comments against Palin in this article with racial slurs about Obama would you be so dismissive and tell folks they are petty and ultra-sensitive?
I think not and I would join you in condeming it!!
Time for you to wake up and stand for something more relevant than a sexist’s rhetoric… Obama may about change but its “a quick change artist” kinda change that we don’t want or need.
Vote for Sarah… you will sleep better.
I think you should wake and actually read my entire posts and not just the last line. Because if you had, you would’ve seen that I did condemn that article as STUPID but I also said that I don’t think we should use that as an excuse that everything said about Sarah Palin in sexist. This is what I said:
“That’s just stupid. Just because a group of dummies right a sexists article doesn’t mean EVERY comment made about Sarah Palin is sexist. The Pig and Fish comment being the casing point. ”
If someone replaced the sexists comments with racial slurs, they would look just as stupid to me, and I would then say:
“That’s just stupid. Just because of a group of dummies write a racists article doesn’t mean EVERY comment made about blacks or any race is racists”.
The SAME THING I SAID ABOUT THIS ARTICLE. Like I said, people need to stop being so ultra-sensitive and petty. Didn’t your parents ever tell you “sticks and stones make break my bones but words will never hurt me”. THEY ARE JUST WORDS. With that being said, if people were attacking Sarah Palin physically at her rallys or causing her physical harm, then yes ABSOLUTELY we should be condemning that and actually FIGHTING ABOUT THAT. But, NO I do not take personal the words of some coward sitting at a desk hiding behind a computer screen writing stupid articles. To do so is giving these idiots WAY too much credit.
But the bigger issue is that the “pig and fish” metaphor has been used sooooooo many times througout history, but NOW its a knock against Sarah Palin. Come on!
~Roza
P.S. John McCain said Barack Obama was NOT talking about Sarah Palin, so when are you guys going to get over it? To his credit though, he did say that Barack Obama should choose his words better, which is something that, yes, I agree with. ESPECIALLY, since there are so many sensitive people out there looking for controversy.
I disagree with McCain on this issue… through the art of nuance Obama was referring to Sarah Palin when he referred to a pig with lipstick… I;ve explained this already…
But Roza what you did is dismiss the comments as those of a fringe group. They are DNC mainstream and if Obama thought he could get away with it he would say the same thing in the same way as Wilson…
….and you would still say we are being petty and ultra-sensitive…
..don’t take this personal but you will defend Obama no matter what dopey things he says…. why?
Ok. There’s no sense in even arguing with you about what I SAID and what YOU THINK.
But, what I DID is say is that statement is an old metaphor (that I remember MY GRANDMOTHER saying, yeah that old)and I don’t think he was referring to Sarah Palin. Neither did John McCain, neither did Elissabeth Hasselback, and a lot of other people. That’s it.
It’s not about me defending anybody’s statements. It’s about calling it like I see it. And what I see is that the people in this country have gotten so sensitive and petty that they will make something out of ANYTHING.
And don’t worry, you don’t have to prefice anything with “don’t take this personal” because I don’t. I take very few things personal which is why we are having this conversation now. It’s evident that the things that bother you, don’t bother me and who are you to tell me that they should. Someone made a comment that they never seen me get upset and I told her: “I get upset, just not about small things.” Too me, people’s words are “SMALL THINGS”. ESPECIALLY, people’s ignorant words.
I have so much peace in my life, and its because I don’t worry about stupid stuff and stupid people. The reality is in this great country we have the freedom of speech. You cannot change what people say, and to respond to their ignorance is SHEAR PETTINESS!
~Roza
P.S. and saying things like “if Obama thought he could get away with it he would say the same thing in the same way as Wilson…” is like saying “if John McCain could get away with calling Obama the N word, he would”
All you know about them is the way that they are both portrayed in the media. We have NO IDEA how they are behind closed doors. You don’t know either of them personally so to make such generalizations is so REDICULOUS.
And again, please read my entire comments before you post and not just a sentence or two because I also said in my post in in relation to McCain on Obama:
“he did say that Barack Obama should choose his words better, which is something that, yes, I agree with.”
So that’s agreeing, not defending.
~Roza
Roza,
I know the Barack’s of the world.. very well.. I have been involved in the struggle for decades.. frontline… even fought this fight through tear gas…. then I took a more strategic route… changing policy, moving people up the ladder and through the ceiling one by one… Barack violated a basic agreement…. you break the barrier you bring others with you…. but instead he used women to promote his personal agenda, his quest for power… he saw Hillary as a threat and so he dumped her… they all dumped her.. I know the type, they are sellouts.. and he would say the same things as Wilson did if he thought the net effect was a few more votes.
Obama would be a disaster for women.. he is intimidate by them.. both Hillary and Sarah are more qualified than he is.
I know you don’t see it but one day you might and then you will remember this conversation.
I’ve heard that all before……………………on blogs. And the story has gotten increasingly more dramatic over the last two weeks.
This conversation is so over for me, because it seems to be getting more and more typical by the minute. It kind of reminds me of the people I hear saying “the man is keeping us down”. But I will leave saying this;
I am a 39 year old bi-racial, black/hispanic women living in America. My mother fought her ass of through the Jim Crow days, and my father worked his ass off to get to this country. So please don’t try to tell me anything about a struggle.
I AM NOT OPPRESSED BECAUSE I CHOSE NOT TO BE. It’s that simple.
You say “Obama would be a disaster for women.” That’s your opinion. I think “women that think like you are a disaster for women, and set us back as a gender SO FAR” That’s my opinion.
The difference between me and you. You”ll light the blogs up and be misserable, and probably just die if Obama wins this election. If McCain wins, I won’t like it, but I’ll be OK. I’ll live and move on. And the one thing that I will remember and take away from this conversation is to teach my children that life is what you make it and just because people say mean things about you or treat you mean doesn’t mean that it has to define you and make you bitter. It means you get stronger and develop alligator skin.
Signing Off.
Rozalyn Valez-Mitchell
Good work WasHRCnowPalin!
Hey Sparky,
What do you think…. If folks can’t stand the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen?
“If folks can’t stand the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen?”
Ha. Says the person offended by EVERYTHING Barack Obama says! In that case you should probably stay out of politics.
That’s so funny. (and hypocritical.) You walked right into that one.
Ok Really signing off.
~Roza
Roza,
I think you should stay…. really, I mean it.
Just don’t get all huffy and stamp your feet when challenged… Obama says some pretty dopey things and it is not easy to defend the indefensible but it is admirable to watch someone such as yourself try.
Stick around. We need a variety of viewpoints.
Oh don’t worry. I’m not leaving the site, just this………….redundant conversation.
Oh and don’t be fake, lol. You don’t want my viewpoint and you don’t admire anything I say. That wasn’t a compliment, it was tacky. (but funny I must add).
And WasHRCnowPalin, I’m not huffy or stumping. Actually laughing that you would say that when you are livid about this whole “pig and fish” controversy.
Keep it real……because I’m always gonna.
~Roza
(P.S. if you’re ever in NY and want to actually debate women in person shoot me an email and I’d love to invite you to our debate on Thursday nights. We have REAL face-to-face debates about real issues from women of all sides, races, and backgrounds. They’d love for someone like yourself to come. I think our McCain women would find you particulary interesting.)
Not true Roza, we actually enjoy your company- as oppoed to Angela you have some valid points to your opinion.
Remember they are your opinions and whether we agree with them or not, we do respect that you have a right to them.
Now don’t let me get all fuzzy warm around you - you lose my reputation around here
It should actually ready I’ll lose my reputation around here.
I’m am beyond tired today, I wrote an essay all last night, and being the anal person that I am (yep so true), it had to be perfect, so I didn’t finish until 5:30 this morning. I have actually been drinking coffee for a straight 36 hours.
Pretty soon, I’ll start sounding like Angela! WasHRCnowPalin - that’s when you pull me aside and tell me to take a break
Okay - so I can not really type today.
Should read - it should actually read - I’ll lose my repuation around here and I am beyond tired…..Exhibit A!
Awwe thanks hun! Don’t let me make you lose your reputation around here, I appreciate that though.
~Roza
Hey guys. I know this is going to sound like I’m “defending” “my boy” again, but I wanted to clear something up. Someone left this comment earlier:
“Well, how about the primary speech where Obama delighted his supporters by symbolically brushing Hillary off of his shoulders, thereby alluding to the Jay-z song with the lyrics “got 99 problems but a b**** ain’t one”.”
WRONG AGAIN! Not what he meant at all. That’s not even the right song. That song is called “Brush that dirt off your shoulders”. “99 problems” is a totally different song and if I’m not mistaking on a totally different cd of Jay-Z’s. The video for that song depicts different kind of people being “hated”.
Like in one scene a woman is walking through a group of men (sitting on a corner with no life) and they’re cat calling her and she’s ignoring them. And then she walks to a really nice car, opens the door, and looks back at them and brushes her shoulders off.
In another scene a group of boys (one black, one white, one hispanic) are on the ground handcuffed by police while the police are searching their car. When the police find nothing they take the cuffs off and let the boys go. They all get up off the ground and brush their shoulders off.
So if anything, the song is really empowering for people that go through the struggles of life. It basically says, when people are throwing dirt at you, just brush it off and move on. Jay-Z is one of the few rappers that I like, and I think in this case, this song was very relevant. TO ALL THE CANDIDATES, really.
I just had to post that to clear that up. When Barack Obama does dumb stuff, by all means talk about that, but don’t just MAKE STUFF UP! That is an example of that dreamed up controversy.
~Roza
Roza (who’s not lame anymore) - Anytime.
It is okay to disagree. Some of my dearest friends are voting for Obama - of course she likes to also go out in the desert and beat drums with a group of people, but I love her dearly. She is always there for me.
This election year will bring out the best and the worst out of people and when it is over, it will be business as usual.
With both kids out of the house (one graduated college and is off my payroll and on his own - the other will be in college for another 8 years ) - Mom decided to go back and get another degree - what was I thinking? (Now I’ll never hear the end of it from aha)
So working full-time, traveling quite a bit for my company, going to school and baby-sitting the hubby who is now semi-retired has taken alot of fight out of me - scary huh? Could you imagine me at full strength - I might just catch up to WasHRCPalin (who by the way is starting to become my new hero - love that woman!
I’m actually going to sign off for the night - me need sleep bad!
Have a great night.
I’m went back to school last year too, we may have more in common than we think.
I’ll be done in December.
You get some rest! Think I’m calling it a night too. Got a test tomorrow.
~Roza
Hello Folks: How are you all? as you know I’m running for office. Sparky were you hyped on caffeine when you offered to manage my campaign?…Talking point..Chris Lee has never scored below 90 % in any poll. Roza;: I’m going to try to pick-p where I left off on my race diatribe..I agree with you the Senator Obama is Black in that he has probably endured racial prejudice because of his pigmentation..and to think we have all the little white girls paying good money to lay in some sort of George Forman Grill type thing and risking skin cancer so that they can get a tan. Gotta love this old world.
I’ll venture to say that O’s life experiences are pretty unique but more influenced by the white culture than the average black man’s. Yet 90% of those who are described as African-American are voting for him. Is there a clear definition of what African-American or black is for the purpose of these polls? My guess is that people who identify themselves as black see someone in O that is like them; even if he doesn’t really share a lot of their life experiences….Is that not doing what MLK asked not be done? Judge a man by the color of his skin.
My daughter teaches in a southern state in a town that only has one school so all classes and colors are mixed together. She started asking kids about race; one of her black students asked her why all the white teachers yelled at her all the time. . My daughter asked her if she felt she (my daughter) yelled at her. Her student said, ” but Ms. R, you’re not white, (she’s blond) you’re a Yankee.”
My guess (and its only a guess) is that the child had an idea of white people were and when my daughter didn’t fit it, she had to give her a different label.
I have always thought that it a lot easier to hate any group as the ‘other’ but when you meet individuals within that group you have to make exceptions to your stereotypes; it’s partly how our brains organize and learn. Like when we learn our colors from the crayon box..at first red is the color in the crayon box with the label that says “RED”; then someone goes and complicates things by telling you that blood is red too..you have to go and adjust what red is. I never even saw a person of color until I was seven years old and we made a trip to the big city; my three- year-old sister embarrassed my mother by pointing to a very black man in the supermarket and saying, “Look mom, there’s a blue man over there.”
In the absence of ‘color” I was taught to think Jewish and Japanese people were ‘bad’ ; they killed Jesus and bombed Pearl Harbor. Assuming all people love their children as much as any other people, it seems to me that teaching children to eliminate other people by labeling them in a disparaging way, limits that child’s opportunity to experience all that life has to offer. My work is in the medical/social work fields and I have been fortunate to work with all kinds of people. They don’t all look alike to me, I judge them(if at all ) on their character. We see it here sometimes when we label each other…I know I had some choice labels for anyone who voted for Bush (and still do). So you see, it takes me really not liking Senator Obama and/or the organization behind him to cross party lines.
Though I couldn’t vote for her. I was very excited when Shirley Chisholm was running for President and have one of her campaign buttons . I’m not a racist but I am a feminist. When people come here and call me a racist, I think it is a reflection of Senator’s Obama’s tactics and a purposeful attempt to keep people from looking deeper into his organization. To me, Senator Obama is encouraging people who may already have idea that white people are……… to not consider the exceptions they hopefully have had in their life. That in itself is divisive and has little in common with hope or change.
Tired again,,,but coming soon to a theater near you… appreciate the conversation..Let’s have something good come out of this no matter what happens…Nite
“Her student said, ” but Ms. R, you’re not white, (she’s blond) you’re a Yankee.”
I can soooo relate to that its not even funny! I mean up until age 4 I thought my mom was black, my sister was black, and me and my dad were orange.
(yeah go ahead and laugh)
And its because of exactly what you said. Even at 4, I had an idea of what I thought a group of people were, and when I didn’t fit in I thought I was something else. Now that I’m older, of course I know better and that brings me to your next question: “Is there a clear definition of what African-American or black is for the purpose of these polls?”
And my answer is, I really don’t think there is a clear definition for the simple fact that I truly believe people of two dark colors/ethnicities are all considered black or “African-American”…….in this country at least.
And the next question: “Is that not doing what MLK asked not be done? Judge a man by the color of his skin.”
And my answer to that is, ABSOLUTELY and I think its so rediculous and dangerous and sad all at the same time. Just about as rediculous as people voting for Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin on the simple qualification that they have vaginas. Not a good look and I’ll say like I’ve always said:
“if you have no idea what is going on with this election and the issues and platforms of the candidates, and you are voting for Barack because he’s black and McCain because he has a woman on his side…….please stay home on Nov.4. Do us all a favor.
Now by all means if you have valid reasons for voting or not voting for a candidate, then that’s great. But I think voting for race and gender is potentially disastrously (yeah I think I made that up) dangerous.
As far as your comments at the end about Obama, I don’t agree, but I respect your opinion.
Ok. Going back to sleep. BTW, this election has become so addictive. I got up to get some juice and end up on her talking to you guys!
Good nite!
Roza.
There is absolutely nothing worng voting for a person of color or for gender because they are either… it is human nature to do so.. sometimes for better and sometimes for worse (i.e OJ’s first jury).
For me the person must be qualified. Sarah is… Barack is not.
And besides, even if he were qualified he is a sexist and repeatedly demonstrates that…. therefore the choice is clear.
Go Sarah 2008!!!
The sad trugh WasHRCnowPalin is that the DNC passed up someone that was qualified. For whatever reason - they are pushing this man up the ranks - he has had no qualifications since day one - except hsi law degree.
Did he really practice law or was he just on their payroll. I chatted with one of the paralegals in the lawfirm he was at and she said that he was the most arrogant person she had ever meant. He really looked down on people.
I really wish there were a delete button on this system. I should have typed the sad truth…
I also found a very interesting article on Obama work associated with his former law firm. I’ll spare you the tedious read and just provide the hyperlink:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article