McCain/Palin on Roe Vs. Wade…
August 30, 2008 by PUMA Pundit
It seems 9/10 scare tactics on the McCain/Palin ticket deal with Roe vs. Wade. Writer after writer says that a McCain/Palin administration will overturn Roe vs. Wade by appointing Judges to the Supreme Court who do not support R vs. W, and this will in turn lead to women all over the country performing back-alley abortions with Coat-Hangers.
Ok folks; let’s clear the air on that one.
McCain/Palin do indeed oppose Roe vs. Wade, however they oppose it from a constitutional perspective of the Supreme Court legislating for the states. In their opinion, Roe vs. Wade ought to be overturned so that each state can decide whether abortion is legal or illegal within its borders. This is nothing but true federalism at its best, with the legislature in each state deciding what happens to citizens who choose to reside within its borders.
Overturning Roe vs. Wade is one thing, declaring that abortion is illegal within the borders of the United States is another. McCain/Palin have to the best of my knowledge not proposed anything remotely similar to the latter, though they support the former.
Incidentally, even if Roe vs. Wade was overturned this evening, I am hard pressed to see how all 50 states would declare abortion illegal within their borders. In fact, I would be willing to bet that most states (25 +1 being most), would probably legislate that a state-wide interpretation of Roe vs. Wade would be in concord with what we currently have on the federal level.
Furthermore, I am hard pressed to see how a Congress with a Democratic majority would approve someone who is against Roe Vs. Wade to the Supreme Court, so those of us who are pro-choice (and I am definitely one) have nothing to fear in that regard.
I personally think that murdering babies who are still alive after they prematurely and forcefully ejected from their mother’s womb is immoral to say the least. This is obviously a position that Obama disagrees with.
Incidentally, being pro-choice is as valid an opinion as being pro-life, so if McCain/Palin fall in the latter category, thankfully, our constitution still permits people to have whatever opinion they deem fit.
So enough with the McCain/Palin fear mongering based on the Roe vs. Wade bogey…
Posted by GrandPUMA
1. Why did you ever support Hillary Clinton?
2. Pro-choice is not pro-abortion — It is giving the woman a CHOICE, something Palin & McCain would like to take away.
Love how you tak about fear mongering and don’t apply to that everything McCain (and Hillary) have tried to do re. Obama being an “other”.
You are so unbelievably stupid it’s comical.
PUMA is a GOP PUBLICITY STUNT. Wake up folks! This group is pure deception so don’t be fooled by it! As a former Hillary supporter, I would never support McCain. There is no sane Hillary supporter that would ever support this GOP ticket. This blog is right out of the GOP playbook.
WyteFyre,
PUMA has absolutely, positively, nothing to do with the GOP whatsoever.
We are here to do everything legally possible to ensure Barack Obama never, ever gets elected into the White House.
Why? Simply because he stole the election from Hillary. You might disagree with us on this, and that is fine, but we are comitted to our cause.
Believe it or not, we don’t need the GOP to tell us how to think, the abomination that is Obama’s ambition is all we need to spur us into action…
Yeah right. I don’t expect you to admit it. You are GOP operatives (or working for them). You are trying to harm the Democrat’s chances of winning so you obviously don’t support their agenda. Good try - this is one of your most desperate maneuvers. You’ve had some great ones that were effective though including the famous Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign. However, I believe that people will start to wise up soon to who PUMA really is.
You’ve got that mission statement right GrandPuma you just left out with blantant disregard for truth and shamingly obvious ignorance.
Hmm….GrandPuma….we are still “cloaked republicans”?
I have officially kicked bots off my page as of today.
November is going to be very interesting, I think.
Hele On!
And as for free speech, I am still waiting to see if my response is going to be published here.
PUMAs please… I beg you all to let go of your sadness and anger. You are only hurting yourselves.
Vote with your mind! If the McCain-Palin ticket is with you on the issues that are important to you, then vote Republican. The same goes for the Obama-Biden ticket, or any other party’s ticket.
My guess is that if you were to meet the people behind the usernames you would find that many of them are male or female Republicans. Don’t let them fool you. Vote with your mind!
As an Obama supporter from New York, I urge you not to support McCain because of his selection of Palin.
His choice illustrates his willingness to use gender in order to get votes. Regardless of whether or not you believe that Obama won the nomination fairly, he is the nominee despite that fact that he is black, not because of it. If Hillary won the nomination, she would be the nominee despite the fact that she is a woman, not because of it.
McCain’s pick cheapens the true feminist cause, which is for gender equality. Selecting a candidate primarily because of gender achieves the exact opposite goal. It is insulting! I chose Obama as my candidate because I found his message and his way of thinking about politics attractive and fresh, not because he is black. That is how the vast majority of Obama supporters feel. Similarly, most Hillary Clinton supporters chose her for reasons that didn’t include her gender.
When I watched the first debate, I didn’t realize until it ended that she was the lone woman among a group of men on that stage. That is a powerful testament to her abilities and qualities as a political figure. Look at how far America has come; from physical and political slavery of both blacks and women to both a black and a women being under serious consideration to lead the country that once enslaved them.
This year is a proud one for Americans, but McCain’s pick cheapens that pride. Women and men didn’t fight for equal rights and consideration for women just so that a woman could be used as a pawn in getting votes as a consequence of that very cause. I’m not asking you to vote for Obama; that is your choice. But I could not abstain from protesting what is a blatant attempt to capitalize on the true cause of feminism. The McCain campaign is truly sickening.
GrandPuma:
Explain to me exactly how Barack Obama stole the election from Hillary Clinton. I’d actually love to hear this, cause on the surface, you seem like an unmitigated racist.
While you are 100% accurate when you say overturning Roe v. Wade will not outlaw abortion, and I believe the Obamas are using Roe v. Wade to get away with treating women like crap, it is SOOO wrong of us not to care about overturing Roe v. Wade because it won’t affect those of us living in blue states. We need to be as concerned with the rights of women in Alabama as the rights of women in New York.
That’s why having a Democratic senate is so important. To find out about races in your area: http://www.democrats.org/local.html.
I fail to see your point. Pointing out that McCain/Palin disagree with the precedent of Roe v. Wade isn’t fear mongering. It’s pointing out fact.
To disavow Roe v. Wade is to say that there is no constitutional guarantee to choice or privacy.
That is a massive issue and one that needs to be pointed out during the campaign.
Hardly a bogey.
Clinton Supporters My Ass.
This does seem like it might be a weak GOP/RNC hit job, and the more ACTUAL Hillary supporters, and ACTUAL activist Democratic women who show up here in defense of Democratic party ideals, including the defense of Roe v. Wade, continue to give creedence to the notion that PUMA may indeed be a legless stunt.
Barack “stole” the nomination by creating new voters, raising more money, and winning more delegates. He “stole” the nomination, in broad daylight, by running a more organized, less wasteful campaign than Hillary. He “stole” the nomination by running, smartly, as the Change candidate, while Hillary miscalculated and chose to run on a mantra of Experience first.
If the women of PUMA were legitimate in their anger, it would be directed at the incompetent MALE doofuses who ruined this for Hillary….people like Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson….people who underestimated the opponent and the historical moment.
Stop pretending to be the Victim. Hillary Clinton, the candidate you claim to support, has asked you explicitly to VOTE OBAMA, because she cares for the ideals of the Democratic party. That includes healthcare for all, equal pay for women, equal rights regardless of gender or orientation, and a woman’s right to make the difficult, private decision to terminate an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy.
Make no mistake, Roe v. Wade is one of the VERY BIG issues on the table, as the next President WILL nominate new Supreme Court Justices. This affects every woman in the USA, and every girl who may one day find herself in the unfortunate, traumatic position of needing to consider that difficult option. It’s not just careless, oblivious sluts who have abortions. In the heat of a passionate moment, accidents happen. Even to Conservatives.
Roe v. Wade is bigger than Clinton vs. Obama. If you support Hillary, you understand that, and you’ll vote Obama, JUST LIKE HILLARY ASKED YOU TO.
Support Hillary. Support the wishes of your favorite candidate. Support the Democratic ticket and platform. Vote Obama. This election is not about him. It’s about YOU.
There is far more than Roe v Wade involved when it comes to Supreme Court judges.
McCain made clear when asked by Rick Warren what type of Supreme Court he favors. When asked which Supreme Court judges he would NOT have appointed, he listed all the liberals on the court, and was effusive in his praise for Scalia, Alito, and Thomas.
8 years of McCain followed by 8 years of Palin would result in a Supreme Court consisting of 9 Clarence Thomas clones.
Is this something that anyone who supports Hillary could ever want? Please think about the consequences of your actions when you vote.
As for John McCain’s character, Ross Perot knows better than most:
…snip
But Ross Perot, who paid her (McCain’s first wife’s) medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.
‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said.
‘After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
Swift boat? What Swift boat! We are just angry white women
Grand PUMA,
I actually agree with you that Roe v Wade has been used as a political tool by both sides, and that overturning it would merely throw the issue back to the states. But, I imagine Senator Clinton and her supporters would oppose the idea of women in Wyoming or South Dakota losing the right to choice (limited as it may be in real-life practice in those states). In those states that overturned Roe, women would lose a right they currently have.
And I do have to disagree that a Democratic Congress would be able to block McCain Supreme Court nominees. When the first justice steps down, the Democratic Congress would be able to block the first McCain pick to fill that seat, and possibly the second. After that, I strongly believe the issue would become “Democrats obstructing the President” and the third nominee for that seat would get through the Senate. Its possible I am wrong on this, but I would bet money that the Democrats will not be able to keep the public on their side to continually block the president’s nominees. Blocking them will be made even more difficult because I bet the nominees will have said absolutely nothing about Roe, so painting them as hard-core on this issue will be harder than it seems. I am not trying to be difficult , I just want to raise the point that we should not assume that a Democratic-controlled Congress will be able to do all that we hope it can. Which makes the overall point much more important: we need to elect a Democrat as President in the first place.
Sometimes we can’t see the bigger picture and this is what I see here. The focus is always on the little things. I feel if Gov Palin meets your criteria, you should vote for her. You have the option; however, I hope that I will not hear complaints about how Republicans are hurting the common woman or man. You know we were convinced that GWB and Cheney were the best for the Nation, and we voted for them twice. They also wanted Harriet Myers his personal attorney on the Supreme Court. What a danger that would have been.
I tell you what concerns me. Our ability to compete in this global economy. We don’t have the ability to compete in the future now. The chairs in the boardroom have switched, and China is sitting at the head of that table. They are building infrastructure in Africa and making deals. Russia is making a move, and we are not sure of how Iran and Israel will turn out. There are real issues here. I don’t think that it is a Republican or Democrat problem. It’s an American problem.
If we get this wrong,it really won’t matter about some of the other small issues we argue about. Life is often funny, and we are often presented with all kinds of choices. How does one make a decision is important. I’m voting for Obama. I know the challenges that America faces, and I love my country. I don’t think John McCain or Sarah Palin would be right for my interest. It’s not about me being a woman. It’s about America. It’s about my country.
I can understand GrandPUMA’s point. That being said, the fact of the matter is that the radical anti-choice contingent in this country honestly believe that the first abortion ever performed was by Jane Roe. Seriously! I agree that abortions will still be performed regardless of the overturning of Roe. And for the most part, each state has been given the power to restrict abortions as they see fit. Now if Roe does get overturned, all is not lost … I said ALL. Some WILL be lost. You will see some states outright ban abortions altogether and I can’t wait to see the first arrest of a young girl for having an abortion … the media coverage will be something to see. But those states will be in the minority. You’ll see states like Illinois, California and NY keep abortions … as per Hillary .. SAFE LEGAL & RARE!
As the whole McPalin ticket has marinated with me for a couple days. I’ve come to the conclusion that John McCain doesn’t want to be the POTUS anymore. Seriously. He’s sick of it and Cindy is REALLY sick of it. I think McCain is planning on just living his life and career out as a Senator. Both he and Hillary in the Senate will give OBiden fits.
Those are just my random ramblings. Take them for what they are worth.
I’m still waiting, GRAND PUMA (aka Karl Rove)…
Explain to me EXACTLY HOW Obama stole the election from Hillary.
Your silence is deafening.
Grandpuma,
This people who are commenting here are Obama Trolls, not former Hillary supporters.
I am an ardent supporter of Hillary but now we must focus on keeping a corrupt, inexperienced, totally self centered, arrogant man out of the White House.
Obama is down 2% in Zogby’s Poll today and Zogby is a strong supporter of Obama. Obama is also down in the Rasmussen and Gallup Poll today.
“Blow hard” is not a plus but a minus, he says he is a “hard” man but he is really a “Blow Hard” .
A point I would like to make is why is there so much
controversy over Pro- Choice or Pro-Life - Each woman and man should take individual responsibility for unwanted pregnancy. What with today all of the easy birth control methods available, who needs abortion? Who would want to have an abortion when pregnancy is so easily prevented, you know with the morning after pill???
Sarah Palin believes that abortion should be legal in case of rape, incest or threat to a mothers life and that is what I believe also.
Why is this even an issue????????????
I totally support your efforts GrandPuma.
Hillary is and has been absolutely correct now and in the past when she says “Obama can’t win” Who could or would trust this guy with our the lives of our family and our country???
I forgot to say Joe “Blow Hard” Biden. I am referring to him in the above post.
PUMA is a scam. This is really a McCain site.
The whole thing is nonsense. There are a couple of whack jobs on here who claim to be disenfranchised Hillary supporters, but they’re lying.
Bet they’re really Rush Limbaugh — he’s been acting all upset that Hillary lost.
Don’t bother posting here.
Sarah Palin asks: What does a VP do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dwzk3g-lB0&feature=related
The diarist wrote:
I am hard pressed to see how a Congress with a Democratic majority would approve someone who is against Roe Vs. Wade to the Supreme Court
My response:
Say What?????? Who in the world is writing on this website??? Have you never watched Supreme Court confirmation hearings?? Have you never learned how the process works? Do you not know that it is agreed that it is unethical, and therefore, taboo, for a prospective appointee to be asked how they would rule in a particular situation??? They ALWAYS say, “I am unable to discuss how I might rule in a particular situation unless and until I know the specific facts of the case…I will not speculate, yada yada yada”
DO YOU REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS? I came to this site to understand what this movement was all about, but if the people involved don’t understand things they should have learned in a high school Civics Class, how in the world have you managed to gain national attention? I am not trying to be unkind, I am just totally incredulous.
Like Constance, I came to this site too, to understand what your cause was all about. However, I would like to address a point in the GrandPUMA’s above post.
>>Incidentally, even if Roe vs. Wade was overturned this evening, I am hard pressed to see how all 50 states would declare abortion illegal within their borders.<<
Actually, they don’t have to if the Federal Health and Human Services gets their way. Its called Provider Conscience. For those of you unfamiliar with this, essentially anyone who receives gvt money, gets to pick and choose what abortion/gynecological services they want to provide, up to and including the refusal to even refer a patient to another physician. While the proposed rules on the Health and Human Services website (http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2008pres/08/20080821reg.pdf) are broad enough to allow any health care provider to deny services for any matter of conscience, the draft rule at (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/emailphotos/pdf/HHS-45-CFR.pdf) they go so far as to sneak in a definition of abortion, that includes most forms of contraception. That, of course, is no where to be found in the copy posted on the HHS website, but you gotta give ‘em credit for trying, right?
So if you believe that a woman’s right to choose if Roe vs Wade gets overturned, you may want to re-think that stance. Things are in motion to ensure that Roe vs. Wade becomes obsolete.
Just fyi.
Update: The accusations that Sarah lied about her pregnancy are false. The McCain campaign released a statement saying that Trig is really Sarah Palin’s son. That Bristol, Sarah’s daughter is still pregnant with her own child.
I have been sickened by the support thrown behind someone as unqualified as Obama. The whole idea of his charismatic personality uniting our country sounds like a throw back to Hitler, Lenin, and all other charismatic, cult leaders. I was thrilled when PUMA was founded, and thought that I could definately get behind McCain, since I actually stood more in line with most of his thoughts, and the ones we didn’t share were either moderate in nature or weren’t relevant enough. However, McCain has successfully chosen the ONLY candidate for Vice President that I cannot vote for. Women are not stupid. We are not going to vote for someone just because she is a woman. We vote issues. I have worked against this woman (Palin) by signing petitions and donating money ever since she became the governor of Alaska. No one benefits more from tearing up that beautiful state for drilling than her husband does, and the blatant disregard for the federal law is shown by her condoning aerial hunting of wolves for “wildlife control”. Remember, it is against federal law to hunt through aerial means. She is pro life, and a staunch member of the NRA who believes that there should not be any further protection of our children through background searches or child locks on weapons. She is against any means of help regarding prescription drugs or healthcare, let alone government subsidized day care and preschool. She is also an advocate of no child left behind, which as a teacher, I can say is the worst thing our schools have ever done.
She encompasses everything I stand against, and I cannot believe that McCain did not first seek out the Hillary supporters opinion of who he chose. I could have stuck it out with anyone but Palin, but now, am just not voting. In my opinion, he did nothing to appease the Hillary supporters. Palin stands for nothing Hillary supported. He would have been better with Leiberman or Huckabee. I think we should take a stand and write in Hillary or Gore, but not support McCain. This really is no better than Obama.
You all act like Obama is nothing more than a personality. Have any of you bothered to go to his website and read his stand on policies and his plans? It’s far more concrete, more thought-out, more realistic, than anything Hillary or McCain have ever purported.
Don’t fall in to the trap of buying into the Rove take on Obama. He is a wonderful man, a true thinker who sees the complexities of the world like no one else in the history of politics.
By the way, Sarah Palin was a member of AIP before she ran for Mayor. AIP is the Alaskan Independence Party which believes Alaska should secede from the US and become its own country.
So much for “Country First”, huh?… She’s a joke.
“The whole idea of his charismatic personality uniting our country sounds like a throw back to Hitler, Lenin, and all other charismatic, cult leaders.”
Or Kennedy. Yes, yes uncharasmatic and boring all the way!
Who else thinks it’s ironic that Palin’s, who supports only teaching abstinence in sex ed, daughter gets pregnant in high school?
I have gone on Obama’s link and honestly, feel that his economic policies are naive at best, and at worst, will eliminate our middle class. These are not the days of the New Deal era, when we could afford to put our country into debt to institute more social programs. We need to pick and choose…, in a wise way. We are already in too much debt as it is, with China owning much of our debts. We need our middle class. History will show that without it, we will crumble, just as any other 2 class society crumbles.
As for Kennedy, sorry, but not a big fan. His own foreign policy ineptness got us into Vietnam (yes, it all began with him) as well as one huge mess in Cuba that we are still trying to work out. But, his “charisma” was enough to get him elected.
I am an independent. Not a democrat or a republican. I pride myself on voting for the issues, not the party, but cannot remember the last time I actually voted republican. This time was going to be a first, but Palin has stopped that.
As for her affiliation with AIP, it does not surprise me. Neither did Obama’s wife’s comment that she is “finally proud to be an American”.
Well irritated, while you may find Obama’s policies naive he has a working knowledge. While Mccain has admitted that he knows next to nothing, and will have to “study up” IF he gets into office.
“As for Kennedy, sorry, but not a big fan. His own foreign policy ineptness got us into Vietnam (yes, it all began with him) as well as one huge mess in Cuba that we are still trying to work out. But, his “charisma” was enough to get him elected.”
Who do you like? All I know is that they had to be uncharasmatic and boring.
Is there any particular reason why you won’t post my comments? Or is it because you realize I am correct–that Hillary would *never* want McCain as president.
For those of you who don’t know this–this is my third attempt to comment. I keep asking Ms. Grand Puma why she would want to vote for someone who would make a joke that said Chelsea Clinton ugly because Janet Reno was her father.
Yes, McCain said that. I doubt Clinton would support any man or woman who looked so far down on women. We should not be judged by our looks, and our children should never be political fodder.
So, Ms. Puma. Please, post this.
I loved FDR… as well as Clinton. I feel Gore would have been incredible if he was elected as he should have been. I am also a fan of Eisenhower and Jefferson. All helped our country in times of economic crisis as well as foreign turmoil. I’m sorry, I just don’t think the ability to sway a huge audience with nonsense rhetoric is what our votes should be based on. If that is the case, most English teacher’s could be elected. I also think political parties should not exist and people should have to vote on issues. But that is getting away from what this blog is about.
You had some awesome English teachers then.
Apart from being a life long Democrat and a definitely proud liberal - I want to speak as an American.
It seems to me that our system of choosing candidates is that we, the voters, choose the nominees of our parties for the top spot. We have chosen Obama and McCain. Yet it is their responsibility to choose the Vice-President nominee, and do so responsibly. Obama did just that. McCain did not. McCain has put our country into peril, real danger. She is not qualified to be a president in waiting. She cannot take on the job if he should have to leave the position for any reason at all (illness, death, impeachment, resignation). McCain is playing with the lives of our citizens, the economy of our republic, and the security of all Americans and, by extension, the free world.
Sarah Palin is an accident waiting to happen in our national/international body politic. In her strict adherence to a pro-life stance, she endangers the lives of women and children everywhere. There will be more unwanted pregnancies. If Roe is reversed, more back alley hack doctors, more coat hanger abortions, more women of color dead because they have no where to go. The woman’s right to choose is not a right that exists in a vacuum. All of us have the right to choose what to do with our bodies. If Roe is reversed because of right-wing conservative Christian values, what is next? Will anti-sodomy laws be reinstated? Will the natural and adopted children of homosexual parents be taken away from them? Will certain medicines be denied to people because of their social class, ability to pay, orientation, or gender? Will women be told that women’s medical practices are impractical and be forced back to a medical system that thinks pregnancy is an illness?
Palin believes that 2 conflicting 2,000 year old ancient Hebrew myths of creation (Gen 1:1-2:4a and Gen 2:4b - 3:24) which are both based on much older near-Eastern myths is actual science. She wants it taught in American public schools alongside evolution, which has been scientifically proven beyond a theory. This woman who holds just a bachelor’s degree in communication/journalism contradicts the findings of thousands of learned scholars in philology, theology, religious studies, ancient near-Eastern studies, anthropology, archeology, ancient languages and linguistics.
This would-be ESPN sports announcer denies the findings of nobel laureates regarding global warming. She denounces biologists and zoologists in their declaring the Arctic Polar Bear an endangered species. She supports the NRA and upholds the legality of hunting animals such as moose, caribou and polar bears from helicopters. She has no problem with street thug, gangs of punks killing each other with AK47’s because of the second amendment.
She is no friend of feminism. Her public record speaks for itself on that issue. She supports McCain’s stance on Iraq (the little she admits to knowing about the war in Iraq) and she has lied already in just a little over 24 hours as the presumed VP nominee with regards her record on lowering taxes (she had raised taxes as mayor) and the “bridge to nowhere” (she actually supported the project until it became the national joke).
There is real question regarding her professional ethics. She is under investigation for pressuring (bullying) state officials to fire her sister’s (former) husband from his job in the state police.
Please, I ask all of you who are hurt because of Hillary’s loss of the primaries. You are upset. We all understand. Remember, we all supported Kerry and/or Gore in the last two elections which were stolen from us.
My friends, the stakes are too high. Do not hand the election to John McCain simply because you are angry, upset, bitter or cynical. The McCain/Palin ticket is a one-way ticket to American fascism. We cannot have more of this. The McCain/Palin ticket is an orchestration of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. It is a recipe for ruin.
McCain has made an irresponsible choice. He has put our security at risk. We must stop this man and this woman. Not because she is a woman! Because she is the tool and toy in the old boys’ network’s hand to reek disaster.
The first troops went to Vietnam under Eisenhower, years before Kenny was in office.
God, some people are ignorant.
Where was all this passion when Bush stole the election from Al Gore? THIS PUMA is so hypocritical, first it’s not that we are afraid that McCain/Palin will overturn Roe Vs. Wade is that it took a lot of sweat, tears and strength to get to where we are as women concerning the right to choose; it was against institutions like Palin that women like Hilary fought against.
This is so silly, it’s like you guys are mad Hiliray didn’t get to be prom queen so now you are going to get revenge, it’s like one of those teenage movies, pathetic.
We are talking about the future of the country! Country first, isn’t that what McCain is saying?
I am sorry. I didn’t know that my political opinions would offend people so much. I thought this was a space to have intelligent conversations as to Palin, not Vietnam. But, if you want to get technical, Eisenhower sent monetary aid to the French, then escalated to troops for less than 2 years of his administration. The escalation of troops, including special forces and raids on villages, happened under Kennedy. I don’t think he was a bad person, just clueless in foreign policy.
Now, this is all really irrelevant, since we are not voting for Kennedy, are we? You would have, I would not, whatever.
I love Renshaw’s analysis. Thank you so much for some refreshing blog. I support your feelings on Palin 100% and could not vote for McCain because of her. I am not comfortable with her being that close to being President. That being said, I would love to hear some intelligent conversation as to why some feel Obama is so qualified. I am truly trying to understand it, since right now, I don’t see it. Maybe I’m too “ignorant”, but I spent 12 years as a legislative aide for Senators and Congressmen, both republican and democrat, so I think I am qualified to make a decision for myself.
Wow. I’m not pro-abortion, but I’m also not pro-force-a-woman-to-give-birth-against-her-will. Your attempt at softening the “Roe vs. Wade” blow McCain and Palin will serve by saying that “it’ll only be illegal in a few states” is horrifying. The Abortion versus Forced Birth debate is such a grey area, to see it become a crime in any state would be a tragedy, especially against women.
I supported Senator Clinton; I voted for her as Senator in New York and was a supporter of her Presidential campaign. I will, as always, vote my conscience. Yet for religious and other reasons I would be considered “pro-life”.
Just as GrandPUMA and others note how a “pro-life” President or VP wouldn’t have much if any effect, contrariwise from my point of view a “pro-choice” President or VP won’t have much if any effect (except Sen. Obama’s record in Illinois of voting to approve leaving babies who survive abortion to die is so extreme as to give not only me, but many “pro-choice” people pause).
As for other issues, no matter who wins the Congress will still be Democratically-controlled which strongly limits how much “bad” stuff (from my point of view!) a Republican President could do; and I strongly support Sen. McCain’s and Gov. Palin’s positions against earmarks and for ethics. Given the past 8 years, a President and VP who seem reasonably honest and trustworthy (for politicians at least!) is of paramount importance to me. For me, Sen. McCain, Gov. Palin and to a lesser extent Sen. Biden meet that test. Sen. Obama does not.
PALIN WANTS ALASKA INDEPENDENCE FROM AMERICA!
This is great. Here is the “Country First” McCain (McBush) choice for VP. She wants to secede from the union. The group is saying that Palin was a member of their group in the 90’s. That’s only about 10 years ago. If they’re going to fry Obama about attending Wright’s church or Biden from copying some Brit’s line for a speech about twenty-five years ago - why does Palin get a free pass from this?
The woman is a problem!
Here’s the link:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html
“Sen. Obama’s record in Illinois of voting to approve leaving babies who survive abortion to die is so extreme as to give not only me, but many “pro-choice” people pause”
This an example of exageration. The term is partial-birth abortion, and you do not leave the baby to die.
And if you need an example of how much damage a bad president can do, turn on the news. It’s called the last eight years.
“…This an example of exageration. The term is partial-birth abortion, and you do not leave the baby to die.
And if you need an example of how much damage a bad president can do, turn on the news. It’s called the last eight years.”
Again, I am not a one-issue voter. I don’t like “abstinence only” education, I believe in evolution, etc. but those are just part of the picture. I am still undecided and may still vote for the Obama/Biden ticket (not happily, but I’m never entirely happy with my choices!).
There is a difference between “partial-birth abortion” and what I’m referring to; as I understand it, sometimes in an induced-labor abortion, in which the fetus is expected to be delivered dead, it is delivered with a heartbeat, i.e. alive. The question is what to do then. You can Google it yourself if you want to read about it. I doubt you do.
Of course I’m worried about how much damage a bad president can do (especially with a weak-willed Congress). I am, seriously, worried as to how much damage Sen. Obama could do over the next four or eight years, because I think the Democratic Congress would follow his lead without question much more than it would with a Republican President. I also have very serious economic concerns; I think the budget and national debt would expand even more. I agree the Bush administration has been terrible, I never voted for him, I think maybe he should have been impeached. But that does not mean the Democratic candidate automatically gets my vote. I am genuinely still undecided; reading the policy platforms of both parties, such things as the “troopergate” report in October, any candidate might say or do something extraordinarily problematic, etc. will affect my vote.
“There is a difference between “partial-birth abortion” and what I’m referring to; as I understand it, sometimes in an induced-labor abortion, in which the fetus is expected to be delivered dead, it is delivered with a heartbeat, i.e. alive. The question is what to do then. You can Google it yourself if you want to read about it. I doubt you do.”
That IS a partial birth abortion the part you get wrong is that it is terminated in the cervix and then has to be induced out. And in almost all cases where it is legal it is used as a last resort in potentially fatal pregnancy. It’s not birth-control. And it’s almost .1 of all abortions. Do your research.
Totalsupportforgrandp.u.m.a wrote:
“A point I would like to make is why is there so much
controversy over Pro- Choice or Pro-Life - Each woman and man should take individual responsibility for unwanted pregnancy. What with today all of the easy birth control methods available, who needs abortion? Who would want to have an abortion when pregnancy is so easily prevented, you know with the morning after pill???
Sarah Palin believes that abortion should be legal in case of rape, incest or threat to a mothers life and that is what I believe also.
Why is this even an issue????????????”
Are you f****ing kidding me? Wow… what a lying, large sack of excrement you are!
Sarah Palin is ANTI-CHOICE (aka anti-abortion). She ONLY makes exceptions when the life of the mother is in danger and ONLY then. This is well documented everywhere!
This site is disgusting in every way shape and form. I’m sure if McCain-Palin win in November and Hilary returns to run in 2012, she would absolutely want nothing to do with you people. You know… that is if we still have a planet in 2012 after McCain and Palin push the button and fire nukes at Iran, North Korea and Russia… and Russia fires nukes right back at the US.
Then again… this is assuming that this isn’t yet just another sickening faction of the vast Right Wing Conspiracy… and if it isn’t you are all are now a complicit part of it.